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On 2016-11-14 15:37:15Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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To the best of my knowledge, there is no pvp match making that is based on level whatsoever*. Being a "above average" level 70, for example, with 20k power does not help you beat a "below average" level 80 who is 25k power. Whereas if the lv 70 leveled normally and reaches 75, with at least awakening, char level up, and cultivation, he'd be 21k power and be a bit closer to beating the higher levels. And that is assuming that he does not earn any extra coin and equipment remain the same.

There is also no reason to "wait" for equipment enhancement, as it's not going anywhere. Furthermore, pre-gate, one will max those on level 77 easily (75 if you don't donate to group much, 79 if you donate a TON) because that's where level up slows down. Even with gate and getting a reasonable set of chakra rune, that will be delayed no more than 2-3 levels(although there might be no hard cap for chakra runes, it hits diminishing return after 20-40m spent) So there is really no point in waiting for equipment.

Although you might not be able to pass the blue fight on new plot instances, those does not prevent you from progressing (personally, I've only had about 5 of those, and all of which I passed within 3 levels thereafter).

So why oh why does people "freeze level"? I've seen different ppl talk about it on forum and there is at least one person on my server who is doing it. But I can't understand why they do it.

*: I base this theory on the fact that, as a lv 81 (and long time 79/80, those levels are SLOW), I've fought plenty of 50s and 60s in all sort of setting. The only semi-exception is Masuri but that's based on wins, and after getting one or two wins, the low level opponents pretty much drops off. The only potential exception is survival, but I suspect it might be based on power instead. In any case, that stuff is easy, I have been full clearing it and breakthrough since 65 or so and I'm ftp. Granted, our serve have no giant ptw of 35k+ power pre-gate or 40k post gate, but I have faced the top ptw who have 5k+ more power before and with help of extra team, pass him. I am currently 4th in survival count and 3rd in breakthrough, 1st in survival is a fellow ftp who is 4th in breakthrough. There are about a dozen ptw who can beat us in a fight and therefore, I believe, can do better but ended up mostly below us due to missing a day every now and then.
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On 2016-11-14 15:48:09Show this Author Only
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well, it is easier to pass survival trail
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On 2016-11-14 16:57:55Show this Author Only
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Survival Trial is based on power, not level. I leveled up and it didn't change, yet when I did a power leap without leveling, it changed who I fought
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On 2016-11-14 17:24:58Show this Author Only
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Ok imagine taking 2 months when you hit 80 to slowly level that way to 85. When the level cap increases to 90 they can practically jump immediately to 90.

Quest line 80-85 to jump then to 87 and then 85-87 to jump then to 89 and they just level up the last part of it. Freezing works when you want to wait for the level cap.
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On 2016-11-14 20:45:18Show this Author Only
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Can you pm me, please tell me how to be strong, i am also f2p and im the strongest in breeze but i cant maintain this because someone in my server spend so much now. Please i need you to help me to become strong and im doing freeze level so you reall will help me. 19.6k power lvl65 here
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On 2016-11-14 20:58:04Show this Author Only
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  • S1018 Ambition On 2016-11-14 20:45:18
  • Can you pm me, please tell me how to be strong, i am also f2p and im the strongest in breeze but i cant maintain this because someone in my server spend so much now. Please i need you to help me to become strong and im doing freeze level so you reall will help me. 19.6k power lvl65 here
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Recharge more ingots other than that there is no easy ways to power.
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On 2016-11-14 21:45:34Show this Author Only
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  • Belerephon On 2016-11-14 20:58:04
  • Recharge more ingots other than that there is no easy ways to power.
Really? So why i have much power? Im 2nd in 9tails event too. Its not about money dude its about how you play the game
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On 2016-11-14 21:54:53Show this Author Only
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So far if you freeze your level in a populated server you will fight in a different sage battlefield and get your seals, adv rune easily. But this will not apply to server who don't have enough people to start 2 battlefields and usually new servers can't do this anymore.
Example : To starts 2 different battlefields your server will need 30+ players above lv 70 and 30+ players below lv 70. So if your server don't have enough people to do that you won't have another battlefield and you still get to fight low/high level gap players in sage. This post was last edited by Kouka at 2016-11-14 21:00
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On 2016-11-14 23:15:20Show this Author Only
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  • S1018 Ambition On 2016-11-14 21:45:34
  • Really? So why i have much power? Im 2nd in 9tails event too. Its not about money dude its about how you play the game
Well if you want to get strong fast recharging is the shortest way. And in 9 tails usually the person who revives the most finished top 3 it has little to do with actual power
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On 2016-11-15 04:36:43Show this Author Only
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  • Kouka On 2016-11-14 21:54:53
  • So far if you freeze your level in a populated server you will fight in a different sage battlefield and get your seals, adv rune easily. But this will not apply to server who don't have enough people to start 2 battlefields and usually new servers can't do this anymore.
    Example : To starts 2 different battlefields your server will need 30+ players above lv 70 and 30+ players below lv 70. So if your server don't have enough people to do that you won't have another battlefield and you still get to fight low/high level gap players in sage. This post was last edited by Kouka at 2016-11-14 21:00
Ah, thank you, that is a very good reason. My server only have about 45 participant each time, not meeting the minimal requirement so I never knew.
Thou it only applies to a few server now, it might become important for players in all servers once merger starts. And while it only applies to the mid to high 60s now, as game progress there might be bracketing so I guess it could be anyone in general. Very good reason indeed.

That said, it seems freezing is more for people who are already behind. Unless the server have dozens of ppl who spend $500+, it's possible for even ftp to get top 3 rewards consistently in top bracket. But for anyone who joined the server late etc, it sounds like a valid option.
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On 2016-11-15 04:40:00Show this Author Only
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I did a level freeze at 40, 50, and 55 because I was 100% free to play and wanted to be strong for my level (which made everything easier). I won my area of sage world every day, swept levels of survival everyday, was able to beat people 10 levels higher than me, etc.

I'm now 79 and the only thing I'm really behind on is level. I could be 80-82 right now, but my power is in top 30, most of those being heavy pay players ahead of me. Not all, but a lot of them.
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On 2016-11-15 04:40:38Show this Author Only
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  • nh111 On 2016-11-14 17:24:58
  • Ok imagine taking 2 months when you hit 80 to slowly level that way to 85. When the level cap increases to 90 they can practically jump immediately to 90.

    Quest line 80-85 to jump then to 87 and then 85-87 to jump then to 89 and they just level up the last part of it. Freezing works when you want to wait for the level cap.
There is a difference between leveling slowly and leisurely (i.e. not trying hard to get everything) and intentionally freezing. For the purpose you mentioned (you will cap anyway), the former will suffice, no need to freeze. Also, it might be impossible for ftp to cap, because ptw will cap first, complain and pressure them to release higher cap weeks before ftp get there. Personally, I was about 1 week from cap when it got raised to 70, but was 2 weeks from cap (barely hit 80, so full bar of exp to go) when the 85 was released. Granted, I could potentially get more exp off fox, since I'm not couponing it and it only lasts 25 minutes as my server have decent population and ptw powerz. But I have not missed much exp otherwise, less than a full day's worth for sure, so it's certainly difficult for ftp to chase cap.
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On 2016-11-15 04:51:33Show this Author Only
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  • I did a level freeze at 40, 50, and 55 because I was 100% free to play and wanted to be strong for my level (which made everything easier). I won my area of sage world every day, swept levels of survival everyday, was able to beat people 10 levels higher than me, etc.

    I'm now 79 and the only thing I'm really behind on is level. I could be 80-82 right now, but my power is in top 30, most of those being heavy pay players ahead of me. Not all, but a lot of them.
And I'm #9 in power, all except one who is ahead of me is heavy ptw (and that one is 100ish power ahead), there are people who are BEHIND me that's heavy ptw (granted, a one or two of those can beat me due to ptw ninjas). PS: by heavy I mean their name flash across the world channel almost every event. probably hundreds of $ or more?

I am top 3 in my area in sage almost every fight, half the time being #1 (thou I am rarely on the winning side..... I think the game slots people by power and I'm weak for my power due to lack of real ptw ninjas while almost everyone around my power have them)

I never freezed, #7 in exp despite being ftp because I almost never miss anything. 281 adv rune in stock because med refuse to give me enough to starting using adv....
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  • Kouka On 2016-11-14 21:54:53
  • So far if you freeze your level in a populated server you will fight in a different sage battlefield and get your seals, adv rune easily. But this will not apply to server who don't have enough people to start 2 battlefields and usually new servers can't do this anymore.
    Example : To starts 2 different battlefields your server will need 30+ players above lv 70 and 30+ players below lv 70. So if your server don't have enough people to do that you won't have another battlefield and you still get to fight low/high level gap players in sage. This post was last edited by Kouka at 2016-11-14 21:00
Wow I never knew that. This would be much better for the lower levels if we had a higher population of 70+ :( Or just a higher population in general to generate two separate battlefields.
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On 2016-11-15 04:52:42Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2016-11-15 04:51:33
  • And I'm #9 in power, all except one who is ahead of me is heavy ptw (and that one is 100ish power ahead), there are people who are BEHIND me that's heavy ptw (granted, a one or two of those can beat me due to ptw ninjas). PS: by heavy I mean their name flash across the world channel almost every event. probably hundreds of $ or more?

    I am top 3 in my area in sage almost every fight, half the time being #1 (thou I am rarely on the winning side..... I think the game slots people by power and I'm weak for my power due to lack of real ptw ninjas while almost everyone around my power have them)

    I never freezed, #7 in exp despite being ftp because I almost never miss anything. 281 adv rune in stock because med refuse to give me enough to starting using adv....
Awesome for you. ^^ What server are you in and what's your power?
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On 2016-11-15 05:02:32Show this Author Only
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  • S1018 Ambition On 2016-11-14 21:45:34
  • Really? So why i have much power? Im 2nd in 9tails event too. Its not about money dude its about how you play the game
"2nd" doesn't say much as different server have different amount of ptw, how much damage do you do per minute (note, per minute, not per fight, some team do more damage but also takes longer, which may or may not increase your damage output overall)
I think I'm at 150-180k per minute w/o using any coupon, not entirely sure because I'm not 100% sure on how long the last fox lasted. I am higher level and powered thou, lv 81 with 29k on my fox team (rank says 30k, but I don't use that team for anything, my pvp team isn't even 29k yet, thou close)

And indeed, power isn't the end all be all of fox. Team compo is the most important, and some ptw ninja (iruka, hashirama) really helps, and then there is coupon/ingots. base boost of 30%(23% over 130% w/ coin boost) and another 10-15% boost with revive(depending on long each fight is).
At last but not least, mains matter. Water have a hard time while fire have significant advantage. Of course, which main works best might depend on your compo, for a ftp who uses yamato, earth might be a good choice whereas ptw with hashirama have no element restrictions.
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On 2016-11-15 05:07:17Show this Author Only
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  • Awesome for you. ^^ What server are you in and what's your power?
S12 Kiba, 30304 on the ranking. My real max power might be a bit higher, I don't actually use the team with the highest power(it's full ftp 5 star, which I no longer use since I got lucky with sage naruto), my normal team is only 28873.
Just hit 81 a few days ago too, and as you know, 81 comes with new TI which is a HUGE deal. I'm only half way on getting the new gold tools, got the purple book but haven't gotten the golden blade yet, those two are the biggest boost as they fill an empty slot.
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On 2016-11-15 05:11:47Show this Author Only
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  • PraiseLuka On 2016-11-15 05:07:17
  • S12 Kiba, 30304 on the ranking. My real max power might be a bit higher, I don't actually use the team with the highest power(it's full ftp 5 star, which I no longer use since I got lucky with sage naruto), my normal team is only 28873.
    Just hit 81 a few days ago too, and as you know, 81 comes with new TI which is a HUGE deal. I'm only half way on getting the new gold tools, got the purple book but haven't gotten the golden blade yet, those two are the biggest boost as they fill an empty slot.
1. Those are red tools, not gold.
2. I'm on server 7 and you wouldn't even be close to top 10 in my server. So please stop making your posts sound like verbal attacks.
3. If I was 81, I would have way more power than you, so again, please stop making your posts sound like verbal attacks.
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On 2016-11-15 05:42:07Show this Author Only
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  • On 2016-11-15 05:11:47
  • 1. Those are red tools, not gold.
    2. I'm on server 7 and you wouldn't even be close to top 10 in my server. So please stop making your posts sound like verbal attacks.
    3. If I was 81, I would have way more power than you, so again, please stop making your posts sound like verbal attacks.
1. It's a matter of opinion to color tools based on background or name color. However, the REAL difference lies with how many levels you can upgrade the tools, and thus far that's 3, 6, 12 and 18, which I consider to be green, blue, purple and gold, in line with more or less everything else. I know there are difference in tools with, for example, lv 12 cap, but those are minor, only a few point of fixed stat which can be easily dwarfed by the random portion of the stat. I don't consider those to be a tier as the difference is too small. This, along with the name color, is my rational to call them green, blue, purple, gold. What is your rational?

2&3. I know the earlier server have more people and thus more ptw so I'd be ranked lower. However, my point was that there is no objective evidence that "level freezing", and at that multiple ones contributed to what you have achieved and that high power/ranking can be achieved without freezing. Now that I know sage does have brackets, I will accept that freezing right before entering the next sage bracket could result in additional rewards. However, beyond that, there should be no benefit. Someone mentioned earlier on this thread that survival is based on power, so level freezing isn't really helping there, good team compo is what makes the difference.
You mentioned that you have frozen 3 times, I do wonder what the sage bracketing were at those 3 specific time instance (as it probably wasn't always 70, especially when 70 was the cap). If it is just above the level at which you froze so you get sorted into the lower bracket(and is the top of that bracket), then it could have been beneficial. But otherwise, it seems to be a waste.

And finally, while you might have more power than me at 81, the difference might not be "all you". Part of the reason my power is "low" is because my max power team is one that I only use as a backup on masuri, thus mostly neglected and not properly mooded. Furthermore, while there are disadvantages to being in a populated server(fox dies faster thus less income for everyone, top sage bracket being hard etc), there are also advantages. Group development, for example, should be much easier for a populated server. My group, for example, just made level 9, so still only lv 8 skill. And that's including a 36m coin donation I've made personally. One tier of group skill, which I believe at least some of the group on your server should have achieved, could make a huge difference. And unless group policy dictates, I doubt that amount of donation is probably not required to get there, with the eight gates, that could be hundreds if not more power if I had kept half of it. And finally, by the time you are 81, I'd be 83, while the only thing there is an awakening and 2 level+cultivation, it might still make up the "higher at 81" difference. And except for sage brackets, the game won't care about the level so as far as power goes, it'd be an even match.

In any case, the question comes down to, did those freeze actually do anything themselves?
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On 2016-11-15 05:50:00Show this Author Only
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What he said there are also no Red rarity tools in the game yet they are a step up from gold.
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