as i said, i did not reply to that because it was clear that you prepared your response long before anyone would comment towards you and had little to no corelation with what i said... i clearly stated that no matter how "strategically" or whatever look at those events (that was i think 3 weeks ago) nothing excuses how bad they are, as i said whales and even low spenders already have better, what whale buys only half of orochi gnw? or what whale needs madara edo when they all run at least obito 10t, as for "demanding players".... i dont know what you are talking about since there are like what? 2-3 at best? and very very random ofc beside the dosu meme, yet you only see those, not people that complain cuz the events are prepared really bad and tempered with (pure example tailed beast's cupon to points ratio, or how in the fish net event you can max out summon rebate and barely have points to get 3 fragments of a meme/ collection ninja) remember when things was cheap? i guess not... remember when we had relevant ninjas in events? i guess not... out of people complaining no one is asking everything free

Everything that the current issues people are throwing are very much related to the 2 principles i have presented.

People demanding for "better free ninjas"

People constantly comparing CN and EN version

People criticizing "free ninjas"

Bad events toxic responses.

So what are you talking about when you say it is not related. Or can't you see pass through it.

For Dosu meme, I actually did not see it as a toxicity, I know people have been patiently and calmly rooting for his appearance for as long as I can remember. But seeing these toxic people demand for more than enough, saying stuff like the freebies they are getting are * do not really understand that in order to get good things, you have to work hard for them.

Most people nowadays want many powerful ninjas to be given away for free.

If one do not like the game then no one forces him to stay. People don't eat to the same horrible restaurant just hoping they can change the management. Go eat somewhere else. A simple *ogy.

What I would like is for those people to answer my simple question, do you understand the principles I presented?

We dont expect better ninjas to be given out for free, we just want to see em for cpns. Have u seen obito 10t for cpns? Maybe madara 10t? Maybe Asura or Indra? And dont count those *ty 0% wheel, im talking about straight up buying then with cpns from some event, Have u seen any? Right - none. They're only for p2w or low lvl "lucky" accs.

I suggest you check the forum for those people that I am talking about. If you are not one of those then good for you, no need to feel offended. But there are people who do.

Thats true, but still, trust me. If Oasis started giving out shisui frags in some event, even like 1k cpns per frag, those people would calm down. At least most of em. Cause now u at least have a goal to save up. It will take a hell load of time, but eventually u will get him. For example, i wanna get Indra so much, but he's nowhere to be seen. After wheel with him as jackpot he's nowhere to be seen at all...

Actually the rootcause of the rootcause of the problem is the giveaway. People back then don't get free ninjas and once oasis started these giveaways one by one people started to get greedy.

Most players do not play through hard work and are just relying on event ninjas (freebies) and when they don't see their go to ninjas they throw tantrums. Sorry for the language but I held back for many years not to hurt anyone's feeling. But again, last year seems to be a waste as toxicity still run in this community. Because of these active toxic people who keeps on influencing others until they multiply. So now i want to ask those people why they play, why they stay, and what are their expectations to the game and to the devs. (Given the overall sentiments)

care to give me a ratio of how many people "demand strong ninjas for free" and how many people ask for strong ninjas to be IN EVENTS like they put irrelevant ninjas for outrageous prices coupon to point wise, and my point of "you must be new" refers to things like for example did you know or remember when in events we had like 3-5 relevant/meta ninjas to chose in the SAME event? we had like 2-3 pages of for example konoha tree or other events now... now is what? 3 ninjas 2 of them are memes and one is half relevant, and NO im NOT talking about free im talking about being in events for coupons, the only complains about the free ninjas are on things like login reward since is an entire month to get what? a meme ninja that is irrelevant even to other meme ninjas...

you keep talking about those people who "demand strong ninjas for free" but why dont you name them, name them to see how many are compared to real complains...

as for why im not active on forum as you was talking about few comments ago, i got into few arguments with jibiru and he/she nuked me every opportunity, to the point that somehow im not allowed to post/write anymore in the general category (there are few entire posts on bug report and support forum about some mods sort of abusing power you can look it up)

bottom line, the people who demand strong ninjas for free are way to few then you make it to be...

This is your orignial reply to my main response regarding principle #1 which trigggered it all:

"are you too new or on the payroll? whichever, what you said doesnt excuse for the state of the events, your logic has a lot of flaws like for example you say that this is aimed towards the whales of the new servers however (1) they already have better then whats in this even cycle even low spenders, the problem is that you kinda dont understand the mechanics and the sort of catch up mechanics and competition in the game... you can be a prty long period afk and still be competitive if you know what you are doing... but i guess is easier to throw money at unnecessary bad events and hope to win against someone that knows what he is doing... (its funny how some people think that whales = mindless, sure there might be few mindless ones that buys what they see but not most of them... )

also your last point that "no one is force you to xyz" well again you seem to not understand basic psychology and stuff, (2) fomo folo just few things not to mention targeted stuff, create unnecessary scarcity of something so you can sell it overpriced to force the people in need to spend a bit or a low spender to add a bit more and so on... anyways

a lot of people that complain, complain because we had better, complain because we know better, but when you are feeded with .... your entire experience ofc you dont know how to ask for better (also "thats the industry" argument is so... coping and invalid thats funny)"

"who other then paying customers should tell a company how to run their business? you do realize that they are alive because we the paying customers"

1. This is one of the most subjective views yet one still thinks it is a valid argument. No one can generalize relevant/irrelevant ninjas as they are purely subjecttive. Someone's * is another's treasure. Old server vs new server wise.

As I said on and on in principle #1, the main target are the newer servers. In the new servers, people will start at the begining so whatever ninjas/rewards/experiences related claimables will be very helpful, in TIs, SAs, 9tails, etc. Saying thing like "i clearly stated that no matter how "strategically" or whatever look at those events (that was i think 3 weeks ago) nothing excuses how bad they are, as i said whales and even low spenders already have better, what whale buys only half of orochi gnw?" - this fits #2 principle, Naruto Online being a game of strategy. Collecting needs not to be limited to 1 sitting only, even for spenders and ofc to F2ps, one the important concepts that you seem to be lacking in knowledge. It could take 1 day up to months, an so on until you complete your desired ninjas. A game of strategy requires people to really think hard, manage their resources wisely. whatever they are collecting now doesn't quarantee that they can complete at all since there are times the usual rewards/claimabes suddenly change and you are left with unfinished ninja fragments - and that is totally fine. It is part of the game. So whatever you are collecting now is always a risk, that is why you need to strategize your spending (in terms of resources). If you can't understand this clear enough then there is no hope we will be on the same page.

2. Fomo only applies to spenders but is very subjective once again. Scarcity of what? Don't confuse this game into other DeFi games with real economy behind every purchases and has scarcity issues. Naruto online characters do not require miniting. If you are talking abut incomplete frag (45 give-away frags) then see my above explanation. If you are refering to expensive ingot ninjas (creating your so called fomo - due to scarcity) then it depends on ones discretion if he is willing to buy or not - still not seeing the concept of fomo here, for a web2 game.

3. Paying customers - already covered this one many times before. Paying or not, no one decides however the devs should manage their own game. Covered this already. Sure they can listen to a paying customers concern, but at the end of the day, it is totally up to them still. You pay and you got what ever it is you payed for (ingots). Everything else is on you. Oasis didn't say "hey buy our ingots and you will be part of our investors". Self proclaimed investors are the worst. They paid something and all of a sudden they think they own a share in the company. Not knowing that they are paying for the ingots alone - at one's own free will - that can be used for in-game daily/weekly events.

For all other concerns, as said over and over, they are very much related to both principles 1&2 (free ninja -related demands and mockery - very dominant in this forum). Now go back to the original (1st thread) and try see the original intent of my comment - which you replied in. Afterall, you were the first one to reply. Now, You haven't answered any of my questions:

(1) Do you understand the 2 main concepts that I presented?

(a) Why the events seem to favor new servers.

(b) The Naruto online game is a strategy game.

(2) Why do you play this game? Why do you choose to stay

(given that you were not satisfied with the management forr a year or so)?

what are your expectations to the game and to the devs. (Given the overall sentiments)

(3) Do you understand the differnce of negative feedbacks (constructive criticism) from the spamable demanding requests?

I ask these questions to know where you are in this subject. Cause if one understand those 2 main principles, then he would know that pretty much all these:

a. People demanding for "better free ninjas";

b. People constantly comparing CN and EN version;

c. People criticizing "free ninjas"; and

d. Bad events toxic responses.

Are non-sensce txicity that I was trying to highlight (even since last year - I just didn't elaborate as much but same concept as what I was trying to tell back then)

PS: I edited to highlight important areas. The main idea is still based o my un-edited initial writings.

BTW I have a 3rd concept for you, and it will be a shocker to toxic people...

#3 Oasis controls - principle #1 and principle #2. Simpy put, Oasis is incontrol. So whatever you or any other players are blabing about for years now are subject for their own discretion - whether they fix bugs, events, freebies, in-game-sales, in-game resources, pretty much all. I just elaborated since you seem not to get the idea if not spo0n fed.

the point I was trying to make is that Itachi (and many other characters) have got a seasonal alt before Dosu got playable in the game at all

Suit Gaara is the one that still frustrates me the most after all these years because it's just so nonsensical. You can't tell me that literal Gaara with friggin' CONTEMPORARY FORMAL CLOTHES—which dare I say don't exist at all in the Naruto universe—is more important than Dosu.

you lost me when you started with "irrelevancy is subjective" in our context, maybe somewhere else is but tell me how subjective is when shisui susanoo bt can do literally anything, is that part of subjectivity? do you think someone who buys shisui susanoo gonna care what other ninjas are there to "make TI and SA" ? hell even if you do naruto or madara bts clearing the game content is ultra easy... nowadays even 9t is not worth competing since the difference is like 20-30 sun and a magatama and i dont think that magatama is worth spending coupons for certain ninjas...your subjectivity card kinda doesnt work here my man...

funny how you sort of ignoring the comment you are replying to tho...

dont know if i have much to talk to you in this subject since you move your goal posts and change wording so to fit you... (pure example fomo and "strategy") or how "oasis is in control" when you dont understand how economics works... but hey who's gonna sue them?

I'll give you a hint since I now bein to see your level of comprehension. Either you are playing dumb to avoid my question by trying to movve out of the topic or you just don't get it. Same as you eveindetly don't get the whole concepts - the main reason why you had your "long term nonsense" requests.

Old ninjasobsolete ninjas, non-meta ninjas, useless/tras.h ninjas, and the list go on. As I said, someone's tras.h is another man's treasure. Hence, categorizing a ninja varies on the perception of each invididual - SUBJECTIVE. How can even one claim that (1) they already have better then whats in this even cycle even low spenders. Do you have a mgic ball of some sort?

SMH

One may want/need naruto *y for quick auto TI/Pain tendo/azuma summer/etc but ofc for others they won't need them. These are just a few example of many ninjas out there. People can't see their value as most only play with limited set teams, over and over.

Before we go off track, I am askig you once again those simple questions I ask.ed before, I genuinely want to know your answer.

It is very covinient that you claim that I lost your interest with something that isn't even my fault to begin with.

If you think about it, all of my replies are interconnected with each other. Why so? Cause I always sti-ck to the main idea. Ofc nobody is perfect but I rarely go off topic, if not.

I replied to the first thread with relevant reponse, then came your sudden attack - refer to the first link if you must. You think you can intimidate someone who criticize toxic behavior cause deep down you feel offended since you sympathize with the offender.

What you seem to be doing is branching out of the main topic. Your other irrelevant topics can wait for another thread if you want, but make sure to respond properly to the main idea first before doing so. Backread read again and you will see what I mean.

You can't even properly respond to any of mine. Hmmm

Outside of few angry kids nobody cares about free ninjas. Like X said majority of people just want them to FIX this game by:

1) Removing obvious bugs like mysteries freezing game, Ninjas not doing what they are supposed to, Ninjas not chasing statuses that they are supposed to (new multi chasing thing), Fixing wrong translations. Those are main things from the top of my head.

2) Instead of adding Final Battle Madara 1 week after CN release maybe add new collosseum pvp mode instead or older things like tsunade NPC update ?

3) Add again updated skills for main characters and for real. EM def/res scaling passive that IS IN THE GAME for like 2 years in China is still not updated for us hello?

4) Like X said, get rid of those nonsense ninjas from events, it's spammed by complete waste of space like blood hidan, kushina etc put this useless garbage in idk some choice packs or rotate pool from illusion packs and add relevant ninjas mostly in events. Nobody from new servers wants to buy it. Even as f2p new player you just get Edo Madara BT and you are set for life.

5) Merge servers way faster, my server was probably skipped since 428 cluster wasn't merged recently and boy is it fun to play with 10 people on a good day

6) Oasis "asks" for feedback even tells people that for doing survey they will sent players coupons (none of my friends got it btw xD) but they are not doing it for the game but for their own pathetic job as GL to get that sad salary of few thousand coupons monthly.

7) Balance the game, if you can keep for example splash damage from edo yagura for 2 years don't tell me Oasis can't remove 1 small thing from Shisui to make this terrible meta playable. Nobody likes it even whales and Shisui users.

Those are main problems of the game that make people leave it. Nobody really cares about them adding like you said freebies in events. If they do it's cool if they don't whatever. Oasis is doing absolutly terrible job recently and if they keep it up this year Xmas fukuromaru deal will be the last one. I was trying to do water main breaks recently and in 1 hour had TWO fights I repeat TWO fights in DB. 2000 cross server event with average queue time for a fight 30 mins? Not to mention that this year will have huge games coming like Solo leveling one etc so it's amazing idea to troll your playerbase by being lazy developer just before other amazing games are about to come out.

PS

BTW for Dosu lovers, Chinese Style Sasuke is about to come out so that's your answer ,summer kid kakashi and summer kid obito too most likely from the leaks we have On this note legit one of the most important ninja in the story Kakashi has no playable character for past 4 years. Where are Susanoo Kakashi skill trials or his new proper version? Yeah keep adding summer kid ones. It's really mind *ing wtf are those companies doing both Tencent and Oasis.

First of all he was the one who asked for it to begin with.

A lot of people have said that the game has no future. And hat the game is dead and so on. And still people come and go. People seem to spend still.

I wonder where are those self proclaimed investors. Hope they are doing well...

People think they know better until they don't.

Game being dead doesn't have to mean it's literally closed. Before (by that I mean 1 year maybe 1 and a half ago) getting fast queue in arena or DB was not a problem. As long as it makes money they will obviously keep it open but if let's say playerbase was at 100% 3 years ago and now it's barely 20% people were right, game IS dying no matter how pink your glasses are.

Im pretty sure that right now revenue is maybe 10% from what it was before, not to mention that in China Tencent also doesn't really care about this game anymore since Mobile version is the only one that gets real updates. Would not be shocked if they close this out of nowhere and release mobile version for global.

"If you think about it, all of my replies are interconnected with each other. Why so? Cause I always sti-ck to the main idea."

no your replies are interconnected because you talk to yourself and ignore everyone else, thats why i stopped carrying about the conversation... you know.. the CON part of the conversation is missing...

funny thing about the "nonsensical ninjas" and what not, as i mentioned back in the days we had multiple pages of redeemable in every event... what stops them from doing that now? instead we have only one page and in some cases (im looking at you tree) a item is doubled for no reason

(a sort of personal note... they kinda goofed on some events the coupon to points ration or even how many points can do without spending but thats just an afterthought at this point)

LOL still trying to get away with a wrong excuse. Well, I can't force you to answer afterall. Atleast we all know that a super active influencer in the forum couldn't even tell why he play, why he chose to stay. He couldn't even admit that he knows a little about the game that is why he continued with his nonsnse posts in the past, not knowing that the game is a game of strategy and not a game of charity.

Seems like this is the end. I know we are all busy with real life events so I understand if people won't get to answer quickly to responses. But for now, I am not xpecting any so I guess time to go back to the cave. I'll return again eventually as I see fit.

Hope this enlightenment will clear others' mind. To lessen, if not bring down to none, this nonsense toxicity that is spreading. I didn't want to put a pressure in anyone but the circusmtances forced me to. Sorry if I offended some but it is the truth.

People keep saying that others are censoring cirttisism but little do they know that their so called 'criticisms' are not really valid and is off of the concepts of the game and the management. Know your place. Know your request. Know your limitations. Know you complains... before posting.

Well they will handle their own game.

If they chose to be greedy and not give a * about the feedbacks then the community can easily play somewhere else.

It is Oasis' loss if that happens. But then again, it is their choice. And so far, spenders are still there somewhere, spending...

At this point, probably they don't even need much money and all other income are just pure profits (opinion only).

So, nothing much to lose anyway if the game close or not. But then again, it is their choice.

As long as players have their own goals in playing the game, they will continue to play.