The last one is on me, didn't realize that the thread is about to close. for the other thread you had enough time to respond, (check the date) some even were able to comment.

Tried to see if you will respond but it seems the very active person in the forum suddenly stop posting (chek your own history chats).

Anyway, I have presented 2 arguments now. The question is, do you understand the 2 concepts that I've presented.

(1) Why the events seem to favor new servers.

(2) The Naruto online game is a strategy game.

Negative feedback: The event *s, maybe it is better if they change someting blah blah blah

Demanding people: events *s, give us this, give us that.

Demanding people are the noisiest yet they seem not to get the whole idea. And the worst thing, other people get influenced by those annoying ones.

Again and again, I tried to sugar coat things since I want to avoid making that bad of an impression to those people, but it seems that y sweet words won't work to those people. Time to make them realize what it is that they are doing wrong, it seems.

I will post in here so that no one will need to backread. If deleted by the mods then you'll have to search in my chat history.

from this thread https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-54972-1.html?thread_anchor=17#17

Why do you play?

1. This is an online game.

2. Clearly, the company's target audience are the rich people (especially whales) from the newer servers. And that is the main reason why for older servers, the rewards *. For newer ones, the rewards are so catch-y since they are in the start-up phase.

No need to feel bitter about it, but that is just the way it is in this industry.

a. People in the older server leave one by one until such time that the servers/merged servers are left with only handful of players.

b. People who tend to go back will find themselves at a great disadvantage for obvious reasons, as players I think we already know why.

c. Daily events and weekly events are set in such a way that if a player missed 1 day or even half a day worth of experiences/stamina/event rewards, other players can instantly outran him especially during fresh stages of the server (1-6months or perhaps could extend even further). Applies to both spenders and free players. What more if he missed more than a day due to real life work, studies, commitments, etc.

d. Having the urge to reach the maximum potential battle power + initiative + high stats and to compete with the other players, the returning player will just have to move to a newer server and have a fresh start leaving behind his old account - along with the progress and the burned money used to cultivate that account. Again applies to spenders and non spenders.

Knowing this, the game will just have to generate more and more servers since more and more whales are taking the bait and are willing to spend money. They want to feel superior that is why they move to another server with many active players and throw in some more cash into the game. Spenders in the older servers will just serve as bonus income as the game already profited from them back in the days. And the cycle continues...

Once you understand this concept, why the DEVs seem not to care about feedbacks and rants from the helpless naïve players, then it will be much easier for you to assess your real goal why you play this game in the first place. And people ranting in this page are the ones who feel they were deceived by the game while in fact it is their high expectation that is eating their emotions and affecting their judgements.

Given the situation, from the efforts put into the daily/week events, the responses (or non-existent response to some concerns) from the community feedback, and so on, people c*ready tell where the game is heading, what the priorities are, and where the DEVs stand.

Try asking yourself, what is your purpose in playing.

Do you want to play here cause you want to achieve something in a world that is controlled by the DEVs which is the Naruto Online game itself?

Do you want to play here but at the same time you feel that you have an obligation to correct things that seem to be disliked by many but were in fact working as intended with the Developers vision and mission in creating/managing the game?

Do you want the management to adjust to your needs even though they have a framework of their own in their very own game that you seem to be participating in?

People spend not because they were forced to, but because they chose to. The solution to your problem is so simple. Why stay then if you don't like the game at all. If you choose to stay, then just live with it all, along with the rules and whatnot. Your vision does not always need to match with the DEVs'. Manage your expectations.

from this thread: https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-55104-4.html

Throwing intimidating remarks to a mistaken 'newbie player' not knowing that it is me all along, might not be the best move for some. haha

Looks like some people go active again when I go off for a while. Still waiting for a reply: https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-54972-1.html?thread_anchor=17#17 I could've criticize your arguments back then cause even in the economic side of what you presented, you failed. I just chose not to discuss it even further to let you off the ho0k. And now here you are again intimidating others and picking the economic side of things...

(One may refer to this link if he wants to recall our simple yet interrupted conversation - due to the fact that one is a no show for a week or so)

Why do you play this game?... is all I ask xD

The game is all about stretegies. (This is the main topic btw of my post - some might direct it do dosu or whatever, but for this instance, the subject is Naruto Online being a game of strategy)

If you are a free player or even a low spender, then naturally you won't have much ninjas compared to others.

As a full time F2P I was able to get 3 star kurenai summer, 3 star shisui koto, 3 star minato jonin, 4 star full BT kushina red, Naruto 6p full BT, a few frags away (around 72 frags of edo itachi from months of collecting from Greatplates, and so much more, all on my own (before they were given away for free later on in the game). I've been on and off of the game but when I play, I play with passion, I work hard for my desired ninjas. All of them came from hardwork and daily grinds.(Now a days a ot of ninjas are given away for free yet a lot still aren't contented).

This is a game of strategy. If all will have the same ninjas (don't take it literally) then what's the point of playing. Spend your resources wisely and don't rely on freebies.

Why did I mention this one might ask? Simple, A LOT OF FREE NINJAS are given away yet many still are not contented and want more and more. Spenders or not, learn how to adapt to the game. Already discussed these topics about spenders thinking that they own a share in the company, well think again..

By buying ingots out of one's own free will, both the game and him/her benefited from the transaction. The game might be benefiting from them in terms of money, but what they are forgeting is that they spent money to get instant boosters to get ahead of the other players, to claim more rewards/exp/in daily wekly events. A nice finished transaction.

Real OGs know how to play Naruto Online.

Demanding (players) don't understand the real concept of the game.

As a last note, I am not againts negative feedbacks, I actually patronize the act. I myself have given some negative feedbacks (check my chat history) along with my proposed solution. But as I understand it, the Team may or may not implement the solutions to my concerns. Afterall, it is their game, I am just here to play their game.

And I as a player totally get that. I play cause I like the concept of the game when it comes to collecting and customizing the characters with power-ups and whatnot.

Anothe question is, do you understand the differnce of negative feedbacks (constructive criticism) from the spamable demanding requests?

I can see this thread just opened so you'll have a week or so to respond xD

Everything that the current issues people are throwing are very much related to the 2 principles i have presented.

People demanding for "better free ninjas"

People constantly comparing CN and EN version

People criticizing "free ninjas"

Bad events toxic responses.

So what are you talking about when you say it is not related. Or can't you see pass through it.

For Dosu meme, I actually did not see it as a toxicity, I know people have been patiently and calmly rooting for his appearance for as long as I can remember. But seeing these toxic people demand for more than enough, saying stuff like the freebies they are getting are * do not really understand that in order to get good things, you have to work hard for them.

Most people nowadays want many powerful ninjas to be given away for free.

If one do not like the game then no one forces him to stay. People don't eat to the same horrible restaurant just hoping they can change the management. Go eat somewhere else. A simple *ogy.

What I would like is for those people to answer my simple question, do you understand the principles I presented?

I suggest you check the forum for those people that I am talking about. If you are not one of those then good for you, no need to feel offended. But there are people who do.

Actually the rootcause of the rootcause of the problem is the giveaway. People back then don't get free ninjas and once oasis started these giveaways one by one people started to get greedy.

Most players do not play through hard work and are just relying on event ninjas (freebies) and when they don't see their go to ninjas they throw tantrums. Sorry for the language but I held back for many years not to hurt anyone's feeling. But again, last year seems to be a waste as toxicity still run in this community. Because of these active toxic people who keeps on influencing others until they multiply. So now i want to ask those people why they play, why they stay, and what are their expectations to the game and to the devs. (Given the overall sentiments)

This is your orignial reply to my main response regarding principle #1 which trigggered it all:

"are you too new or on the payroll? whichever, what you said doesnt excuse for the state of the events, your logic has a lot of flaws like for example you say that this is aimed towards the whales of the new servers however (1) they already have better then whats in this even cycle even low spenders, the problem is that you kinda dont understand the mechanics and the sort of catch up mechanics and competition in the game... you can be a prty long period afk and still be competitive if you know what you are doing... but i guess is easier to throw money at unnecessary bad events and hope to win against someone that knows what he is doing... (its funny how some people think that whales = mindless, sure there might be few mindless ones that buys what they see but not most of them... )

also your last point that "no one is force you to xyz" well again you seem to not understand basic psychology and stuff, (2) fomo folo just few things not to mention targeted stuff, create unnecessary scarcity of something so you can sell it overpriced to force the people in need to spend a bit or a low spender to add a bit more and so on... anyways

a lot of people that complain, complain because we had better, complain because we know better, but when you are feeded with .... your entire experience ofc you dont know how to ask for better (also "thats the industry" argument is so... coping and invalid thats funny)"

"who other then paying customers should tell a company how to run their business? you do realize that they are alive because we the paying customers"

1. This is one of the most subjective views yet one still thinks it is a valid argument. No one can generalize relevant/irrelevant ninjas as they are purely subjecttive. Someone's * is another's treasure. Old server vs new server wise.

As I said on and on in principle #1, the main target are the newer servers. In the new servers, people will start at the begining so whatever ninjas/rewards/experiences related claimables will be very helpful, in TIs, SAs, 9tails, etc. Saying thing like "i clearly stated that no matter how "strategically" or whatever look at those events (that was i think 3 weeks ago) nothing excuses how bad they are, as i said whales and even low spenders already have better, what whale buys only half of orochi gnw?" - this fits #2 principle, Naruto Online being a game of strategy. Collecting needs not to be limited to 1 sitting only, even for spenders and ofc to F2ps, one the important concepts that you seem to be lacking in knowledge. It could take 1 day up to months, an so on until you complete your desired ninjas. A game of strategy requires people to really think hard, manage their resources wisely. whatever they are collecting now doesn't quarantee that they can complete at all since there are times the usual rewards/claimabes suddenly change and you are left with unfinished ninja fragments - and that is totally fine. It is part of the game. So whatever you are collecting now is always a risk, that is why you need to strategize your spending (in terms of resources). If you can't understand this clear enough then there is no hope we will be on the same page.

2. Fomo only applies to spenders but is very subjective once again. Scarcity of what? Don't confuse this game into other DeFi games with real economy behind every purchases and has scarcity issues. Naruto online characters do not require miniting. If you are talking abut incomplete frag (45 give-away frags) then see my above explanation. If you are refering to expensive ingot ninjas (creating your so called fomo - due to scarcity) then it depends on ones discretion if he is willing to buy or not - still not seeing the concept of fomo here, for a web2 game.

3. Paying customers - already covered this one many times before. Paying or not, no one decides however the devs should manage their own game. Covered this already. Sure they can listen to a paying customers concern, but at the end of the day, it is totally up to them still. You pay and you got what ever it is you payed for (ingots). Everything else is on you. Oasis didn't say "hey buy our ingots and you will be part of our investors". Self proclaimed investors are the worst. They paid something and all of a sudden they think they own a share in the company. Not knowing that they are paying for the ingots alone - at one's own free will - that can be used for in-game daily/weekly events.

For all other concerns, as said over and over, they are very much related to both principles 1&2 (free ninja -related demands and mockery - very dominant in this forum). Now go back to the original (1st thread) and try see the original intent of my comment - which you replied in. Afterall, you were the first one to reply. Now, You haven't answered any of my questions:

(1) Do you understand the 2 main concepts that I presented?

(a) Why the events seem to favor new servers.

(b) The Naruto online game is a strategy game.

(2) Why do you play this game? Why do you choose to stay

(given that you were not satisfied with the management forr a year or so)?

what are your expectations to the game and to the devs. (Given the overall sentiments)

(3) Do you understand the differnce of negative feedbacks (constructive criticism) from the spamable demanding requests?

I ask these questions to know where you are in this subject. Cause if one understand those 2 main principles, then he would know that pretty much all these:

a. People demanding for "better free ninjas";

b. People constantly comparing CN and EN version;

c. People criticizing "free ninjas"; and

d. Bad events toxic responses.

Are non-sensce txicity that I was trying to highlight (even since last year - I just didn't elaborate as much but same concept as what I was trying to tell back then)

PS: I edited to highlight important areas. The main idea is still based o my un-edited initial writings.

BTW I have a 3rd concept for you, and it will be a shocker to toxic people...

#3 Oasis controls - principle #1 and principle #2. Simpy put, Oasis is incontrol. So whatever you or any other players are blabing about for years now are subject for their own discretion - whether they fix bugs, events, freebies, in-game-sales, in-game resources, pretty much all. I just elaborated since you seem not to get the idea if not spo0n fed.

I'll give you a hint since I now bein to see your level of comprehension. Either you are playing dumb to avoid my question by trying to movve out of the topic or you just don't get it. Same as you eveindetly don't get the whole concepts - the main reason why you had your "long term nonsense" requests.

Old ninjasobsolete ninjas, non-meta ninjas, useless/tras.h ninjas, and the list go on. As I said, someone's tras.h is another man's treasure. Hence, categorizing a ninja varies on the perception of each invididual - SUBJECTIVE. How can even one claim that (1) they already have better then whats in this even cycle even low spenders. Do you have a mgic ball of some sort?

SMH

One may want/need naruto *y for quick auto TI/Pain tendo/azuma summer/etc but ofc for others they won't need them. These are just a few example of many ninjas out there. People can't see their value as most only play with limited set teams, over and over.

Before we go off track, I am askig you once again those simple questions I ask.ed before, I genuinely want to know your answer.

It is very covinient that you claim that I lost your interest with something that isn't even my fault to begin with.

If you think about it, all of my replies are interconnected with each other. Why so? Cause I always sti-ck to the main idea. Ofc nobody is perfect but I rarely go off topic, if not.

I replied to the first thread with relevant reponse, then came your sudden attack - refer to the first link if you must. You think you can intimidate someone who criticize toxic behavior cause deep down you feel offended since you sympathize with the offender.

What you seem to be doing is branching out of the main topic. Your other irrelevant topics can wait for another thread if you want, but make sure to respond properly to the main idea first before doing so. Backread read again and you will see what I mean.

You can't even properly respond to any of mine. Hmmm

First of all he was the one who asked for it to begin with.

A lot of people have said that the game has no future. And hat the game is dead and so on. And still people come and go. People seem to spend still.

I wonder where are those self proclaimed investors. Hope they are doing well...

People think they know better until they don't.

LOL still trying to get away with a wrong excuse. Well, I can't force you to answer afterall. Atleast we all know that a super active influencer in the forum couldn't even tell why he play, why he chose to stay. He couldn't even admit that he knows a little about the game that is why he continued with his nonsnse posts in the past, not knowing that the game is a game of strategy and not a game of charity.

Seems like this is the end. I know we are all busy with real life events so I understand if people won't get to answer quickly to responses. But for now, I am not xpecting any so I guess time to go back to the cave. I'll return again eventually as I see fit.

Hope this enlightenment will clear others' mind. To lessen, if not bring down to none, this nonsense toxicity that is spreading. I didn't want to put a pressure in anyone but the circusmtances forced me to. Sorry if I offended some but it is the truth.

People keep saying that others are censoring cirttisism but little do they know that their so called 'criticisms' are not really valid and is off of the concepts of the game and the management. Know your place. Know your request. Know your limitations. Know you complains... before posting.

Well they will handle their own game.

If they chose to be greedy and not give a * about the feedbacks then the community can easily play somewhere else.

It is Oasis' loss if that happens. But then again, it is their choice. And so far, spenders are still there somewhere, spending...

At this point, probably they don't even need much money and all other income are just pure profits (opinion only).

So, nothing much to lose anyway if the game close or not. But then again, it is their choice.

As long as players have their own goals in playing the game, they will continue to play.

As expected, people will get offended and will be deffensive, simply because they got exposed. It is not my fault that those two smartheads cannot handle me in this convo, as said over and over all ties up with those 2 principles. So it is never clear to me why they always claim that I am off-topic LOL

As for additional note, the K one is an absolute high spender. Had a convo with him last year as well, the one who thinks he know better since he has a lot of super ninjas not knowing the real grind behind each day trying to figure out what items to get, when to spend, when not to spend, when to take risk into spending resources from limited in-game hard earned grinds, and so on. That is probably the reason for his flawed reasoning in his second paragraph (PS).
-He swooped in in the discussion not knowing the real intent and the main idea. In the end, he had no choice but to laylow, realizing that he is at fault (due to the fact that he didn't read the whole writing). And the same person is trying hard once again.

Real achievements and satisfaction from earning ninjas is what most f2ps want. Spenders and F2ps are in different league. Couldn't care less of any of their easy ninjas, not really impressed of hard earned money but not hard earned in-game ninjas/achievements tbh.

No matter how people try to make a bad impression of me, it will only show how desperate they are to save themselves from their past actions.

Pretty much all there is to it, I have said. Now ackread and maybe you'll know better next time.

remmeber your relevant/irrelevant ninja arguments, claiming people had better ninjas etc than what is being offered for a certain week, CN nonsense comparison, etc. it's just the surface. SMH

I ask those questions since I wanted to know why you make such claims since those contradicts the priniciples presented.

Well it is not my fault if some people don't know how to strategize. when to buy keys using moons vs ninja frags, when to skip fuku weighiing the pros and cons, and so on. If you can't understand that collecting, grinding resources, items, clothing, ninjas, and the risk of those items being gone for a very long time resulting to a longer completion period are part of the game, then why is it that you choose to play. As said before, it is part of the game, part of the strategy in making your daily in-game desicions.

Now tell me again if my arguments are off topic with the main idea of our discussion. And if my responses to you are off-topic. your flawed reasoning doesn't work on me.

-edit to properly match the argument with 2 different persons.

You can't see cons in my arguments, simply becacuse there isn't any. the key words, IN MY ARGUMENTS.

The game has a lot of flaws, that we don't disregard. But what we are talking about is the arguments I have presented. You keep bringing other non-related topics. And as seen, I only reply to your related-to topic responses and the rest are pure off-topic.

1.You will be surprised how much an "f2p" is earning irl

2. you will be surprised how strong an F2p could get, given that he knows the gme perfectly vs some loaded spender who only relies on money to even catch up to strong f2ps.

- Well it is not my fault if some people don't know how to strategize. when to buy keys using moons vs ninja frags, when to skip fuku weighiing the pros and cons, and so on. Some people do not see this game as a strategy game and yet they claim I am delusional. Are we in a meme world, you caught me in your genjutsu if that so. Living in a tsukuyomi, eh. So much lack of knowledge.

And with these people who lacks knowledge influencing others, who knows what kind of community we will have in the future. SMH

btw some of my responses to you got transfered with my comment with the other person. tho I am sure you 2 are reading this and will understand... unless you are still living in infinite tsukuyomi. Altho if you think about it, both applies to the 2 person in question.

-edit to properly match the argument with 2 different persons.

The perfect example of a toxic person jumping in in the middle of a discussion without even knowing the main idea, who he is talking to, and what is going on. I intentionally let it slide to see if you just mistyped or something, but first and foremost, I am not claiming to be a spender, let a lone be whale. I have other investments to take care rather than puting my money into a deadend without anything in return. I am even open about claiming to be *L TIME F2P - given that you didn't know, and the spending/invetor part of the discussion you seem to skip, we c*ready assume you know nothing about this convo. I never claim to be a whale LOL

From here, we c*ready tell you have no idea at all. And in fact I know alot about the game, aside from the grinding parts (that arroant ingots users like you do not even know - not all spenders tho). You don't even know how to actually play the game cause with ingots, you can cheat the process of leveling up, ninja collections, power-ups.

- saying things like this game is not a game of strategy, my man, you are on a diferent level of spender. Other spenders that I know are knowlegable, at the very least.

While the real game offfers a strategical approach to its users. You are mistaking the strategy of the game to an event? while in fact the strategy lies within the right balancing of resources from dailies/weekly events, and not in the event itself. Ofc aside from the gameplay side of the game, there also lies another strategy appraoch, same with choosing ninjas, choosing which power-up to go to first before the other to maximize the possible stats while also considering the grinds for future ninjas/power-ups. All this you don't seem to know at all, annd all this play a huge part in the game. LOL you never cease to amze me with your ways of thinkiing.

Again, event wise -the devs are in control. I am not saying they bring the best events for everyone, what I discussed in pinciple #1 is that the Devs are evidently choosing to give more focus on the newer servers that is why in the older servers the rewards seem so unattactive. How hard is it for one to understand that?

As for the gameplay, well aside from the things I already shared in this forum (both in Nygma and Iamnoob account in this forum - check my chat history on both if you must) I have much much more info to share. At this point, I think you are the one who pretends to know better as for the basics of the game you seem to not have a clue. The words came out of your writings, not mine (unless you delete it or edit)

Now I ask you, do you even know that topic that we are discussing? At first I thought you were creating another topic so I entertained you LOL, but responding such as you did, I begin to remember the time you swooped in regding my thread for newer server road to 6paths team suggestion. You tried invalidating the post, not knowing the actual target audience, and the actual scenario for a 4-5 mon old or so F2P gaming style. History is repeating itself.