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[ Bugs ] Can we please at least FIX Shisui?

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On 2022-03-16 13:40:56Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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If we are going to make people spend thousands of dollars on the best position one ninja, can he at least do what his skill descriptions describe? I was sent this video by a friend of his space time fight and you know, I don't think it follows the logic of what the ninja is supposed to do. He is not targetting the mystery using ninjas to interrupt, his Y mystery that is supposed to cause UNDODGEABLE, UNAVOIDABLE, IRREMOVABLE acupuncture does not work as it has a chance to fail which is simply not what goes along with irremovable debuffs as this is how it is with EVERY other ninja using this type of debuff. Another thing as well, he is supposed to cause repulse on his standard yet the animation is low float to high float, like what? why? It's a small thing BUT come on guys, PLEASE. People are spending thousands on this game and you do not DO anything to fix such small issues. Even if TENCENT doesn't give a * and limits you to adding new content. I KNOW you can fix this, you have the power.


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On 2022-03-14 14:59:31Show this Author Only
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Hello, the animation is based upon the original version of the character, as his standard used to cause low float, so I will ask for the repulse animation to be added, instead of the low float. Regarding the irremovable debuff being able to control fail, as far as I am aware, these debuffs still rely upon the user's control stat, but once the debuff is placed, it is then irremovable.

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On 2022-03-14 16:19:42Show this Author Only
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  • tylermotoki On 2022-03-14 14:59:31
  • Hello, the animation is based upon the original version of the character, as his standard used to cause low float, so I will ask for the repulse animation to be added, instead of the low float. Regarding the irremovable debuff being able to control fail, as far as I am aware, these debuffs still rely upon the user's control stat, but once the debuff is placed, it is then irremovable.

I understand the animation excuse however, I'm afraid I cannot agree with you or give you the benefit of the doubt for irremovable debuff working off of control stat as every other irremovable debuff (stated in skill description) cannot be resisted, e.g. (Indra), as you can see, his skills state the exact same as shisui's Y mystery, also what about targetting on auto clearly being incorrect?

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  • Adwarfare On 2022-03-14 16:19:42
  • I understand the animation excuse however, I'm afraid I cannot agree with you or give you the benefit of the doubt for irremovable debuff working off of control stat as every other irremovable debuff (stated in skill description) cannot be resisted, e.g. (Indra), as you can see, his skills state the exact same as shisui's Y mystery, also what about targetting on auto clearly being incorrect?

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i afraid tylermomoki is correct..

unfortunately (fortunately for those who dont have shisui full bt), irremovable acupuncture CAN BE RESISTED (ie. control failed)

which depends on your control rate vs your opponent control rate & luck element (yeah.. its true.. u can have 90% control rate but still cannot cause debuff, or 25% control rate but can apply debuff few times in a row)

once the acupuncture applied (control succeed), then it will become irremovable


u can refer to Yujin Takara guide regarding this matter, control rate formula, etc

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On 2022-03-14 21:44:11Show this Author Only
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Aside if it can be resisted or not it's just clearly bugged and even when you apply it this acupuncture that is supposed to last 2 rounds falls off a lot of the time for some reason next round. Idk is it coded as irremovable only for round when you apply it then it swaps to basic acupuncture and because of it falls off vs immune characters or wtf is going on with it.


Shisui is one big mess bugs and balance wise. Shame Tencent destroyed the game with addition of this ninja since from now on we will be getting beyond broken things that make no sense to compete with this cancer. 10 standard attacks, 4 mystery ninjas whats next at this point

1) Y mystery is 100% bugged and 2 round acupuncture simply doesn't work - enemy can mystery most of the time next round

2) Standard debuff is completly loco preventing your own team from applying debuffs and ton of other random bs happening with it

3) Animation not changed after the patch to his abilities

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On 2022-03-15 00:48:09Show this Author Only
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  • Shumihaza On 2022-03-14 19:07:52
  • i afraid tylermomoki is correct..

    unfortunately (fortunately for those who dont have shisui full bt), irremovable acupuncture CAN BE RESISTED (ie. control failed)

    which depends on your control rate vs your opponent control rate & luck element (yeah.. its true.. u can have 90% control rate but still cannot cause debuff, or 25% control rate but can apply debuff few times in a row)

    once the acupuncture applied (control succeed), then it will become irremovable


    u can refer to Yujin Takara guide regarding this matter, control rate formula, etc

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You're right, It can be resisted, really thinking about it now, that's my fault for questioning your logic without properly thinking it through. I apologize.




This post was last edited by Adwarfare on 2022-03-15 04:02:10.
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On 2022-03-15 04:15:00Show this Author Only
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  • tylermotoki On 2022-03-14 14:59:31
  • Hello, the animation is based upon the original version of the character, as his standard used to cause low float, so I will ask for the repulse animation to be added, instead of the low float. Regarding the irremovable debuff being able to control fail, as far as I am aware, these debuffs still rely upon the user's control stat, but once the debuff is placed, it is then irremovable.

I'll apologize to you as well, Acupuncture has no defined amount of rounds its supposed to last, however, previously this debuff lasted 3 rounds and is even stated here that it's meant to last 3 rounds, so it's rather confusing as to why it is they would make the Y mystery just a worse version of the +2 by nerfing the acupuncture debuff specifically for shisui. There still is the question of why the targetting on the mystery is off, is the system not queuing both mysteries at the same time so that if a skill uses interrupt, it would be able to properly interrupt the correct ninja?

Should it not prioritize (What ninja uses a mystery) followed by (What ninja has lower hp between the two ninjas or several ninjas that use the mystery that turn)?


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On 2022-03-15 15:48:11Show this Author Only
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such Luxurios problems, how to make this broken ninja even more broken, anyway no one can compete with Shisui, so I don't see any probs. It's like in the anime if you see Shisui just run....

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On 2022-03-15 17:05:31Show this Author Only
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  • Yeshe V On 2022-03-15 15:48:11
  • such Luxurios problems, how to make this broken ninja even more broken, anyway no one can compete with Shisui, so I don't see any probs. It's like in the anime if you see Shisui just run....

Said it already 10 times, it's simple false advertising if ninja doesn't do what he is supposed to do and it's illegal so things like that have to be fixed and doesn't matter balance wise.


Offtopic below:

I will never understand hype about anime Shisui. People make him sound like he was a god tier ninja, same tier as idk let's say Pain meanwhile in reality he was not that strong at all and lost to Danzo + bunch of useless ANBU members (yes useless... ANBU members couldn't even defeat 1 summoning from Pain).


Outside of Kotoamatsukami which could be stopped and spotted pretty fast by other teammates so outside of duel 1v1 fight pretty much meh ability. (5 kage summit perfect example how they stopped Mifune from being controlled or how Danzo wanted to defeat Sasuke before trying to control Obito since he knew that if he did it earlier Sasuke would prob just break out Obito from genjutsu and gg since it has crazy cooldown) he had nothing special offensive/defensive jutsu wise. If he was as strong as people make him to be he would use Susanoo (kishimoto himself never confirmed he had one, just video games use this version) instantly obliterate ANBU members and use Kotoamatsukami to control Danzo - gg but nope he was not that strong and lost.



Not to mention teen / young adult Obito had same tier genjutsu with basic sharingan mind controling perfect jinchuriki Yagura so i really don't get the hype about Shisui, whatever ninja that had amazing personality BUT was weaker or about the same tier as Danzo and akatsuki members like Deidara / Kakuzu and that's it.




This post was last edited by Kiriya. on 2022-03-15 17:06:07.
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On 2022-03-15 21:10:16Show this Author Only
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  • Kiriya. On 2022-03-15 17:05:31
  • Said it already 10 times, it's simple false advertising if ninja doesn't do what he is supposed to do and it's illegal so things like that have to be fixed and doesn't matter balance wise.


    Offtopic below:

    I will never understand hype about anime Shisui. People make him sound like he was a god tier ninja, same tier as idk let's say Pain meanwhile in reality he was not that strong at all and lost to Danzo + bunch of useless ANBU members (yes useless... ANBU members couldn't even defeat 1 summoning from Pain).


    Outside of Kotoamatsukami which could be stopped and spotted pretty fast by other teammates so outside of duel 1v1 fight pretty much meh ability. (5 kage summit perfect example how they stopped Mifune from being controlled or how Danzo wanted to defeat Sasuke before trying to control Obito since he knew that if he did it earlier Sasuke would prob just break out Obito from genjutsu and gg since it has crazy cooldown) he had nothing special offensive/defensive jutsu wise. If he was as strong as people make him to be he would use Susanoo (kishimoto himself never confirmed he had one, just video games use this version) instantly obliterate ANBU members and use Kotoamatsukami to control Danzo - gg but nope he was not that strong and lost.



    Not to mention teen / young adult Obito had same tier genjutsu with basic sharingan mind controling perfect jinchuriki Yagura so i really don't get the hype about Shisui, whatever ninja that had amazing personality BUT was weaker or about the same tier as Danzo and akatsuki members like Deidara / Kakuzu and that's it.

:)




This post was last edited by junan on 2022-03-15 21:11:33.
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On 2022-03-15 21:11:05Show this Author Only
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Hello friend, I saw the video, the first ability does not give acupuncture, it blocks the ability for 2 rounds, that is, it gives you 2 cooldown turns like Kimimaro Hallowen, but it attacks 12 opponents and is inescapable, the version causes immovable acupuncture, but instead of being 12, there are 9 opponents, I saw your video and if I applied acupuncture but it went to the hiruzen take a good look there it looks like it is in automatic I do not fix the enemy shisui but that is already a matter of the automatic not the skill, greetings

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