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  • Registered: 2018-11-29
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On 2021-07-09 21:14:15Show All Posts
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dont want to be rude but when thinking ninjas dont let your personal feelings overtake the balance of the game, this is bad even for kaguya...

first of all no one should have dodge and super armor, unmissable attacks that scales damage individually, again very bad design you effectively have guaranteed 20% first 2 rounds not to mention if they have clones or summon... spammable irremovable ignite thats another bad design, i understand that its high combo but its still spamable, in special when paired with other ninjas that gives him extra standard attacks and more combo (if you didnt realize you made it that for every enemy hit by attacks you do 4 combo which means again 16 combo is guaranteed now if you have a 2 standard attacks buff that's 32 guaranteed combo, with main summon and prob combo from fire main that's easy 40 combo for the chase... ) so if you have a 2x standard attack you have 40% buff + irremovable ignition in the first round and that not counting if enemy have clones or summon...on top of that if he gets 60 chakra (which means easy since bani chakra) he cannot be controlled, meaning literally no counterplay.... not even mentioning stackable rage?? how exactly does it work


word of advice, when designing characters try to think of counters as well to make it balanced

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On 2021-07-10 19:59:15Show All Posts
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  • Sambadi On 2021-07-10 01:43:10
  • Actually i made this Sasuke long ago and wasnt that broken at all. But i reworked all the skills after seeing the new Tendo, so we can finally have a good Sasuke that can be pos1 meta. The stackable standard i took it from Kakashi(summer) that is spamming standards every round and increases att/nin, but forgot u can stack standards and buff Sasuke even more, my mistake here. The rage mode buffs are stackable that aint much compared to other ninjas, even rinne sas increases 150% nin per round at max chakra. But the game overall is pretty unbalanced with teams that can spam 4 mysteries and having 100%+ in some stats in round 1, and u die before u can even do anything, so i wanted a character to hold more than 1 round. But my point was to add something different of skills that can counter the current boring round 1 or 10 matches, not specifically needs all these skills.

read my comment again, i explained a bit in details why is a bad design also you didnt explained how does the stackable "explosive mode" works

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On 2021-07-11 19:51:38Show All Posts
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  • Sambadi On 2021-07-11 00:46:54
  • Ok this design may be bad but i said he doesnt need all these skills, was just giving some ideas for some new Sasuke, also the bad design applies to most current meta characters that broke the balance long time ago. Naruto can spam standards that increase his dmg/are undodgable with many combos/spam mystery from round 1-10/max hp every round/cancels buffs & shields and also has chance to dodge everything, and there are many broken characters like this that can counter even this sasuke i made. Lastly i said the rage mode stacks 20% of the 4 stats everytime he does mystery what exactly i didnt explain?

all that you mentioned had/have counterplay, what you presented have little to no counterplay as i said prev...

as for the rage, as someone already mentioned, how it works does it expire? is it forever? if it expires what happens to the buff does it continue? does it start from 0 when you re-rage?...

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On 2021-07-12 19:50:07Show All Posts
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  • Kiriya. On 2021-07-12 15:27:32
  • EDIT: Asked you some questions before about cooldown and counter but to be honest after thinking about it for a bit more it doesn't matter I can give my thoughts about it right now.


    1) This Sasuke would get absolutly stomped by 6p Naruto, 10T Madara, 10T Obito, ETR Madara, (soon Gengetsu BT), 6path Pain, hell even Kushina would easly deal with him. I dont know what you guys are talking about this Sasuke being "op". He is terrible and here is why:


    - super easy to deal with since he has no mystery reset and probably chakra cost 40 so suigetsu/kimimaro or some chakra lock and this Sasuke is done basicly

    - no clue if we are playing same game but you guys realise like he said that THERE ARE ninjas already in the game with better scalings aka Gengetsu, Madara, Obito, Naruto (yes way more consistent and higher scaling overall, in group fights like db/gnw not even close) etc

    - chase is basicly impossible to proc in 1vs1 even if you give Sasuke 2nd standard (btw I want to also know how will you give him this 2nd standard, are you putting ramen naruto into your team? or killer bee ? cuz sasuke is not anbu so anbu itachi who would be still a joke also doesnt work)

    Chase simulation for you in 1vs1 -> Sasuke standard 16 chase -> Main ninja 10trigger chase -> enemy ninja dodges and combo is broken, after 2nd standard from scratch how you are procing another 40 dude. Don't even bother telling me that not everybody has chase dodge cuz for this scenario basic dodge also works since his standard is undodgeable so 10 trigger Gamariki chase will be dodged by Naruto for example.

    - no self sustain passive or leech


    In the end you are just doing 1 standard per round with this sasuke, 99,99% impossible to proc that chase so no chase at all in 1vs1 scenario (in db still hard, in gnw easly possible) and if you are very lucky just 1 mystery every 2 rounds with nothing special effect and barely average scaling.


    Scaling of round 1 20% lets say people dont die round 2 so 40% round2 then 5% scaling round 3 (safe to assume backline died) and 25% round 4 is absolute meme tier nothing crazy about it.



    Final thoughts, I would change a bit your Sasuke and make it as 20k coupons base ninja for future skill trials that would boost him into pos1 Ninja stronger than 6p Naruto. If he is supposed to be Tsukuyomi ninja then hell no, he is worse than pre skill trials 10T Madara.



    2) Don't change your thinking just because 2 people said something is broken, your initial thought process was correct, this Sasuke should be way stronger. We can try to make better version based on your idea cuz in general I would say it's really good but need to know what are we cooking? Tsukuyomi Ninja or 3star base for future skill trials ?

    I also think that Tencent should consider new line of ninja release cuz 3star ninjas that are good are Tsukuyomi only and thats mad annoying. I understand that 20k coupons ninja should be weaker and only skill trials can boost ninja to higher power scaling level but then here is a twist. Why not release a ninja with skill trial system instantly so he is ~50k coupons, strong from day1 instead of waiting months praying his skill trials come out to fix him

for the sake of downplaying his kit you assume the worse case scenario...

as for this:

"I also think that Tencent should consider new line of ninja release cuz 3star ninjas that are good are Tsukuyomi only and thats mad annoying. I understand that 20k coupons ninja should be weaker and only skill trials can boost ninja to higher power scaling level but then here is a twist. Why not release a ninja with skill trial system instantly so he is ~50k coupons, strong from day1 instead of waiting months praying his skill trials come out to fix him"

what are you talking about? tsukuyomi is not a tencent thing is a oasis thing... did you ever played on tencent?

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