depends on the role and if they BT.. for example kakashi susanoo is support, deidara/kakuzu minato are "attackers" and again if they bt, kakuzu non-bt is kinda very useless, deidara is somewhat ok non bt but not so great, easy to counter, minato is a very good p1 ninja but without bt have too high cd (so you need cd reset such as wind main and whatnot) kakashi summer seems op on paper but his scalling is not as great as someone like naruto ronin (i know they dont compare but to make you understand the difference) he is ok-ish but not as hard scalling as others, sasuke ronin kinda * ngl