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On 2016-09-23 17:24:29Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hello everyone,I don't post much here on forums, still learning a lot of things. Been thinking on some things for a while, would love to hear your thoughts on these matters.

After spending a bit of time here, anyone would start to realise how important refinement is. Even if someone has superior ninja's, better lineup and stats, you can get an upper hand against them simply by being able to go first and control the flow of the battle. Its a very crucial part of 'being better' or 'improvement. Refinement increses every aspect of these, you get to take turn first, have better chance for combo/crit hit, more dmg on crit hits and others things.

And yet, I don't see any regular source of refinement runes unless you pay a lot. Can this system be changed a bit?
Keeping the F2P and P2P debate aside, I think some things should be there for everyone, regardless of how much they pay and these runes should be one of those things. In any rpg type game, there should be a source from where/by which you can improve on a daily basis, even when you are not leveling up.

As of now, except group shop(medium runes) and ranked shop(low runes), there aren't any reliable regular source of these. GNW packs contains 10 low-level refinement runes, but then agaIn, these packs are limited. Sage world battlefield can give them: very small amount of low level runes if you are lucky and end up being in the winning side, or advanced runes if you perform excellently and place within top 3 , but unless you spend a lot, a whole lot on medium refinement, who knows when you'd even be able to use them. Now where did we forget medium refinements runes that everyone needs most?


There is also the horrible success rate of refinement. To me, this creates the most unbalance. Just to share my experience here, so far I have 2 gear that I've been able to upgrade to 165. one of them took 31/40 blessing point, other took 32/40 before success. Now with such crap success rate, how should anyone be able to motivate oneself to do these? yeah I get it, if you can or do spend a lot of money here then it's no problem, you'd get it done whether it's successful on 10th try or 100th, but what about the rest of the majority of players?

A bit of an off-topic suggestion here. can GNW packs be seperated with seal scrolls and refinement runes? I mean, yes everyone c*e seal scrolls. But considering every packs contains same x10 low level refinement runes, it will be useless if someone already has all gears at rank 4. When someone who dont have all gears upgraded can certainly use these runes, maybe a lot better than seals. So, some thoughts here would be appreciated. Also, how about including some medium/advanced refinement runes here?

Same goes for megatama's. I'm not asking give free items everywhere, but maybe sonsider making some items available free for everyone? just a thought here, even if it's asking too much, a refinement rune or a level 2 megatama everyday won't make or break your game, but will give a fair chance to improve even to those who don't spend too much here.

Also, since we don't need to grind here mindlessly(this is the feature I like most here), Maybe give give some items ona daily basis for regular players? What items or things, thats up for discussion. But, Let's say A just logs in to do daily stuff for half an hour, hop off.. comes back again just for Convoy/plunder/TI - log off again. B does all that plus spends time interacting/helping with people, figuring new stuffs, new tactics for teambuilding/ninja exam etc- in short spend more time, sure B deserves a little more than A on somethings, right?

Anyway, I'm not very good at expressing my thoughts. So please do try to see my point here and give someone positive feedback whether this deserves attention or not. Let's help to make this game a better one.

P.S- Please ignore the (size=14.66.....px ) text in the middle. I have no idea how that appeared or how to remove those, sorry.



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On 2016-09-23 18:02:15Show this Author Only
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You can get like 20-30 basic and medium refine rune every week, from the place you wrote, i dont understand what so terrible in that. And if there is a problem with succes rate, you can just wait for Refine event like what we have now to get free wish points. We have refine veent like every 4-6 weeks, during that time you can have 100-120 rune saved up plus those what we get from events, like the friend mission event was.
With that amount you can make like 4-5 equip go up with 1 lvl refine very easy.
And since adv refine runes are very expensive even for p2w, pretty much your goal should be getting lvl6 refine on 2 ninja full equip. ANd after do the rest. What is pretty much your ENDGAME goal. Or at least your 1 year plan. Its entirelly possible, as long you work hard and stop your shaking hand from clicking on *ons as soon you got something to click on, like seal scroll, summon scroll, refine rune and start saving them up.

Anyone can win, or can be on the top position, just need to work hard. Patience and enduring and planning ahead is necessary.
And its nothing personal, Its not about you, but as I seen 90% of the players not able to do this, or just dont want. They want to be on the top without doing anything for it, or working hard for it, but if you want to be like that, then go p2w.

This game not meant to played throught on one day, its meant to played for years.
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On 2016-09-23 20:54:37Show this Author Only
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There is only 10 levels. If you want another source of refinement, there's always better armor. Game content is suppose to be for the long term. Most players don't really focus on refinement, they rather spend it on getting kisame or the other group shop ninjas. If refinement was any easier, the cashers would have more level 10 refinement already and you would still have the exact same problem. When you make it easier for everyone, only the game developer might lose money since there is no incentive to top up.

Black market refreshes every 3 hours. Survival, group shop, arena every 12 hours. The free scroll that gives food, coin or random materials every 8 hours. There's incentive to log on more often. As the game contents come later, there will be more and more things to do. Just be patient. They are releasing content as fast as the publishers (osa) can.

There is one thing that a player with a lot of time but no money can do to get ahead. Its boring and tedious but if you do your materials for upgrading equipment manually instead of auto you can get a lot more coins to upgrade equipment. When you are done upgrading gear and your elite instances and awakening materials, you can farm Tsunade's whereabouts (8100 coin manual, level 45 unlocked) or scout Deadwood forest (10500 coin manual, level 65 unlocked). I use to do this to get my gear from 50 to 60. 9 tails wasn't enough. Now I'm too busy but trust me it helps a lot early to mid game. 100 stamina on auto gives 5000 coins vs 100 stamina on tsunade whereabouts = 81,000 coin or scout deadwood forest 105,000 coins.

Right now the rate of scrolls is acceptable because everyone struggles to get more. There are ways to get slightly more which is doing harder group trials, 2star or harder. Refinement is mostly for pvp which only certain players are really interested in. I'm happy with things are. They give us an option to get premium items over time. Sure the success rate is terrible but at least failure doesn't mean reset or item breaking. After all in other games refinement is a lot more rng. Refinement in other games would more trying to get the perfect stats instead just trying to get more stats.
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On 2016-09-23 23:34:19Show this Author Only
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Thank you for your response.
Yes, its obvious that like any other rpg game, it should be played for a long time, with long-term improvement in mind. What I was suggesting is giving some important items on a daily basis, which won't break the game but can encourage people to login daily and do stuffs.
Btw, how can we get 20-30 basic and medium runes on a weekly basis? First, medium runes are only in group shop. 5 rune/2000 point. Now daily group trial will give you max 300-350 point, and if your group manage to win gnw, its another 5k points. So even if I'm expected to * that all up on refinement instead of more useful ninja frags, they seem quite expensive. For this event, I've already used more than 15k points without success. Not sure if its true, but later on konan is supposed to be available in group shop, at a price of 5 frag/2000 point. So, it seems more useful to save points for her instead of a gamble.

Low lvl refinement isn't much of a problem. You should be able to get your gear refinement to level 4 pretty easily, even more so in a refinement event. My point also was to give more medium runes instead of lower/advanced ones, since those are the ones we will need most. GNW pack, should deserve some attention on this subject.
Also, since there is no such thing as grinding here, a bit more explanation about what you meant by hard work, will be appreciated.

Thanks for providing the instance for sweep for more coins. I used to do hidan and kakuzu instance that gives 9000 coins plus muchneeded materials for level 65/70 awakening. I still do them whenever I have time. Its just max donation each day takes almost all of my golds, so a bit short on gear upgrade.
For sure, refinement will help a lot on pvp aspect. But as I said, it also let you upgrade your other 'important' stats. Crit chance/crit dmg helps a lot on nine tail, which is a main source for exp and coins. They also help out in group instane and such. Also, pvp is not something that only certain players should be interested in. Convoy/plunder, GNW, sage world battlefield - all of these things helps you on your improvement.

looking forward to see more thoughts in these matters.
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On 2016-09-24 06:40:15Show this Author Only
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I have a ton of low refines, i have a ton of advanced refines but next to no medium refines. no clue why sage gives advanced for placing top right now and no idea why even pay events end up giving you low refines. i'd figure that they would make it so the game kind of scales with levels/powers and know not to give low level items but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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