Meanwhile, people forget that Ronin Naruto is one of the best ninjas in the game.

People will continue to forget about it until he begins to appear in mega carnival at 2400 ingots.

That said, ronin naruto is very bad, tbh, once your move 2/3/4 aren't shenanigans, since he isn't immune to debuffs and doesn't selfheal.

Don't think about him only from the perspective of a low power player that meets a 700k whale with a 180k+ move 1 that uses him against you.

That same whale would destroy you in the same exact way (tbh better and faster) by using a full free option like chojuro full sb.

I didn't say is bad. I say that is not that op when you meet somebody with comparable or higher power than yours that owns initiative over you.

If a full damage oriented ninja doesn't grant you a chance to win in this condition then is not an op ninja, but just a useful one.

Edo minato sb or kushina sb, instead, are good ninjas for this very reason.

Ronin naruto is good exclusively if you own initiative and if your move 1 secondary stats are so higher than the enemy move 2/3/4 stats that those moves are there just as a decoration (since they cannot control him, they cannot deny a devastating critical hit from him and so they are just there as food for his selfstacking passive).

It's a whale only gadget good exclusively for fast stomping streaks in swb that does literally nothing in a whale vs whale environment or in arena (where control fail doesn't exist, more or less).

In general there's literally close to no reason to choose him over full sb chojuro in every situation.

P. S.

Tbh to make ronin naruto useless it's enough a faster water main together with a round 1 buff cleaner.

Take the team renji suggested: ronin naruto, edo hashi full sb, mb, bee sst.

Against water main, normal han, wb asuma, gakido full sb (a full free team) where you don't own initiative.

Round 1 han clears buff with mystery, water main round comes first, your whole team but bee is chaosed (unless you select the y+2 passive of hashi, but if you do hashi won't clear the chaos on ronin naruto).

At that point what do you do?

Even if you are able to trigger hashi chase thanks to his mystery on water main, gakido will reduce again the cd on her if needed.

If instead of edo hashi, we talk about normal hashi that's there just to boost him is even better, for obvious reasons.

An hyper op on paper team, expensive as hell, that gets nullified by a full free team with 1 more point of initiative.

Indeed good this ronin naruto.

They just need to own secondary stats high enough to not take for granted that every attack they endure is a critical hit with a so high injury boost that destroy them in one shot or to not take for granted that whatever control skill you use will fail always.

Obviously if you face a team 200k stronger that yours where your move 1 is 200k and your move 2/3/4 is 70k while his one are 180k in 1 and 140k in 2/3/4 it's quite normal you win, since the match is actually your 200k move 1 vs his 180k move 1 even if he owns 200k more total power than you.

That's the reason why here costs an eye of your head while in cn costs 2400 ingots.

Because here the amount of 700k+ people with high secondary stats in move 2-4 is low and because edo hashirama breaks are more expensive than ronin naruto itself, so running a team with edo minato and edo hashi both broken to get weakening effects is almost impossible to see.

The real reason why ronin naruto is currently considered op is because oasis did everything that was in their power to make impossibile or more expensive than him to run teams that counter it (who is so mad tu run shark bomb teams or heavy shielding teams currently since they give no advantage in swb?).

P.S. What team are you currently using with him?

Anyways to go back to the point of the thread.

Naruto sosp needs breaks, indeed.

Sasuke rs got them and they made him extremely good i don't see the reason why naruto shouldn't get them.

I'll chime in and say Naruto [Ronin] is very, very overrated. He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble). Nowadays, it's really easy to beat him due to the new control formula which renders the control stat useless as every ninja will have at least a 25% chance of landing a control even if the control stat difference is 10k>

For GNW he's even more unreliable, unless you're fighting really low bp players with no chance to counter him. Massive Shields without any clone will easily counter him and if you try to run along with a Shield/Buffs removal ninja (Han, 5KM, ETR Madara) just so you don't have to deal with the shields, you'll leave him unprotected and without any buffs other than the permanent buffs.

I'll leave this as a proof btw. He's a very unreliable and weak ninja in high bp fights. Just for the record, my partner's BP is 570k while mine is 420k

Your video is from 11 months ago, so I'll just quote myself again:

>He was good back then when we had the old control formula and no counters (Edo Minato's Enfeeble)

Just for the record, Edo Minato's BT came out on China in April of 2019, while the new control formula came out the month after (way after this video you're showing me was posted). By the way, my partner and I aren't running that build just to counter Ronin, we do it just because that's a good build to run in bonds.

I'll add in another example: A few months ago (pre Minato-BT) my 900k groupmate running Ronin in GNW, got beaten by 2x 500k and 1x 400k running massive shields. He simply isn't that good in high-end battles anymore, which is why he isn't being used as much as he used to be despite his frags being easier to collect. At the power I am at or higher he simply doesn't work unless you run into someone that can't counter him or the power gap is way too much to the point his unbuffed standards are enough to kill a ninja.