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On 2020-01-29 07:18:46Show this Author Only
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  • Akuma Bloodline On 2020-01-29 05:15:51
  • Last I recall all scaling abilities and de-scaling abilities (such as like gamariki or bee when you hit him and lose 12% def/res) cannot be removed into you die and get revived
    Example edo madara can only remove buffs like iruka,bee,non sb hashirama and he'll remove all barriers no matter what

    but scaling from kushina,minato ,shisui sus all stay around into death
    but now on the topic of enfeeble/weaken that debuff cant go threw immunity but if it does, what it does is it lowers the enemy attack and ninjutsu by 80% and removes attack and nin scaling for that round so let say ....a ronin naruto scaled 60% attack...once he get infeeble he'll get his attack and nin lowered by 80% and...that 60% scaling he did will disappear as long as he has infeeble on him.

So if I understand it correctly...
Lets say Ronin Naruto is scaled at +60%. He gets enfeebled, loses the +60% scale and loses 80% attack / ninjutsu?
If he gets cleansed, does the entire 60% scaling reapply? or he starts scaling from 0?

simple scenario:
Ronin Naruto with Fire main team in 3v3s.
Ronin Naruto starts jumping around and stacking as hell.
He hits Minato and gets enfeebled. Loses scaling and base stats.
Before another hit, fire main uses mystery to clean Naruto.
Does entire scaling reapply and he hits like a train? Or he hits like it was 1st hit that match?

Either this makes enfeeble absolute overpowered counter to scaling ninjas, or its a decent way to stop blitz teams.

thanks for info :)

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On 2020-01-29 07:40:08Show this Author Only
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  • BattleCrier On 2020-01-29 07:18:46
  • So if I understand it correctly...
    Lets say Ronin Naruto is scaled at +60%. He gets enfeebled, loses the +60% scale and loses 80% attack / ninjutsu?
    If he gets cleansed, does the entire 60% scaling reapply? or he starts scaling from 0?

    simple scenario:
    Ronin Naruto with Fire main team in 3v3s.
    Ronin Naruto starts jumping around and stacking as hell.
    He hits Minato and gets enfeebled. Loses scaling and base stats.
    Before another hit, fire main uses mystery to clean Naruto.
    Does entire scaling reapply and he hits like a train? Or he hits like it was 1st hit that match?

    Either this makes enfeeble absolute overpowered counter to scaling ninjas, or its a decent way to stop blitz teams.

    thanks for info :)

the scale doesnt disappear...

it's just... de-activate

if he's not weakened, he got back the scale...

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On 2020-01-29 07:46:42Show this Author Only
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  • Akuma Bloodline On 2020-01-29 05:15:51
  • Last I recall all scaling abilities and de-scaling abilities (such as like gamariki or bee when you hit him and lose 12% def/res) cannot be removed into you die and get revived
    Example edo madara can only remove buffs like iruka,bee,non sb hashirama and he'll remove all barriers no matter what

    but scaling from kushina,minato ,shisui sus all stay around into death
    but now on the topic of enfeeble/weaken that debuff cant go threw immunity but if it does, what it does is it lowers the enemy attack and ninjutsu by 80% and removes attack and nin scaling for that round so let say ....a ronin naruto scaled 60% attack...once he get infeeble he'll get his attack and nin lowered by 80% and...that 60% scaling he did will disappear as long as he has infeeble on him.

i thought the reduce stat last infinitely too like the scale...

i tested for like a whole 2 hour...

when gamariki isn't proc for 4 rounds, he deals as much damage as he did at round 1, both field doesnt use any initial buffs or barriers. the changes are super small because it's only 20% down but there are...




This post was last edited by YujinTakara on 2020-01-29 07:47:04.
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On 2020-01-29 09:22:13Show this Author Only
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  • BattleCrier On 2020-01-29 07:18:46
  • So if I understand it correctly...
    Lets say Ronin Naruto is scaled at +60%. He gets enfeebled, loses the +60% scale and loses 80% attack / ninjutsu?
    If he gets cleansed, does the entire 60% scaling reapply? or he starts scaling from 0?

    simple scenario:
    Ronin Naruto with Fire main team in 3v3s.
    Ronin Naruto starts jumping around and stacking as hell.
    He hits Minato and gets enfeebled. Loses scaling and base stats.
    Before another hit, fire main uses mystery to clean Naruto.
    Does entire scaling reapply and he hits like a train? Or he hits like it was 1st hit that match?

    Either this makes enfeeble absolute overpowered counter to scaling ninjas, or its a decent way to stop blitz teams.

    thanks for info :)

Basically, once he get infeeble he get all of that, but once he's cleansed ..he regains the scaling he built up and hes attack and nin get brought back up, it extremely broken it against non immune units.

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On 2020-01-31 18:52:51Show this Author Only
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  • YujinTakara On 2020-01-28 18:33:30
  • oh i haven't tested on mains...

    when i have free time i'll try to test more... thanks for the info...

    also thanks for standing with my point

I used to run that team in arena, around 1/2 years ago.

The enemy always went for water main and eventually killed her but when kabuto resurrected her the damage of sharl bomb was not reduced (i got a lot of 'happy' comments in training arena when they saw a 4k bomb killing them as soon as kabuto resurrected her ).

I didn't test this after 6.0, so i can't say for sure it still works so, but in 4.0 and 5.0 was so, for sure.


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On 2020-01-31 18:57:05Show this Author Only
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  • YujinTakara On 2020-01-29 07:40:08
  • the scale doesnt disappear...

    it's just... de-activate

    if he's not weakened, he got back the scale...

Yep, works so.

The effect should be described, infact, like the suppression immunity/super armor ones, but there are always problems with the translations.

It's, actually, a 'suppression of the selfscaling buffs for x-rounds'.

It's the same thing as the translation/explanation of buff removal effects, whose correct explanation should be: reduce by 10 rounds the duration of every buff (this would remove all the ambiguity about selfscaling and barrier effects that do not get removed because selfscaling last indefinitely and barrier buffs get actually removed but are instantly renewed before every action as long as the barrier is up, so is like if they are not removed).




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2020-01-31 19:04:56.
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