more damage to non immunes is a low selling point these days though.

and im not sure how good his scaling is since is starting stats are so bad, i dont have the most power in the game ofcourse, but trying minato out, I lost to guys i usually beat, i didnt fair any better against the players or lineups i usually struggle with, and even with a fair power advantage and times where I won the matches took so much longer than with my other lineups because even a few rounds of stacking and wind main buff and barrier, my minato simply cant deal the damage my other pos 1 characters can, he was unable to take down the likes of kushina,6p and kakuzu they just took the beating and leeched/recovered enough health to get through to the next round, at no point in 10 rounds was the stacking of my minato personally enough to make a difference

only sharing my experience ofcourse, not claiming it as fact, im sure other guys will love him now, but so far i have no reason to go with my sb minato over any of my other teams and he is no more of a viable option than when I got him, unfortunately because I like the character

yeah, it works, but since y mystery is dodgeable you lose the main reason for using minato, 6p would be more reliable pos 1 then.

by the by I compare him to 6p because lets face it these days everyone and their dog has him, so im trying to compare minato to other currently viable pos 1 characters.

Do you have him? and his breaks?

Because all i am doing is sharing from my first hand experience here, and 6p is definitely a better pos 1

firstly the barrier may be nice, but how many of us have all the edo kage?

as for the rest of it, the only usefull debuff is the enfeeble, at this stage in the game with easily over 90% of players using either largely immune teams or teams that can reflect and/or consistently remove debuffs, burn and tag are nothing to write home about.

I would *strongly* argue against the 50% chance to dodge, still early days with the breaks ofcourse, but mine has dodged half a dozen attacks at best , and that is a generous estimate, and just to be clear i am taking into account using him in arena/sage/training grounds/bonds/gnw/ti/strong approaching, and in all aspects of the game, one thing I can tell straight is that my minato chance to dodge is more accurately around 5%

true minato scales, but when you start from weak as hell scaling doesnt matter. I faced the usual teams 6p/kushina/kakuzu etc etc with guys I usually beat in sage, but i either lost or took me the full 10 rounds, because even with a full match of scaling minato damage output is nothing impressive. Unless you have the power advantage to have high damage output from the get go, the scaling is going to make jack * of a difference. my minato as stacked as I could make him was unable to finish units that my 6p/ kakuzu/kushi/agk teams usually beat in sage in 2-3 rounds

You can say what you want, I am not here to convince anyone, just talking about my experience in some down time. and naruto hits consistently, has that leech that makes him borderline immortal and can control with his chase.

if you go the consistent cd reduction route with minato, he hits 1 less ninja than naruto, loses the undodgable interrupt which was the best thing about him, has no leech/ health recovery ability, is very fragile, for the first few rounds ( easily the most decisive) he hits much much weaker than 6p, and has no control debuffs to inflict. I concede enfeeble seems nice, but unless you have the exact opposite experience to me and minato's dodge break actually works enfeeble alone is not enough reason to ignore 6p then naruto is simply a stronger, harder hitting and much more durable pos 1 choice.

disclaimer i hate 6p, he is the most boring character ever conceived in a video game, and if I never have to face him spamming and leeching for 10 rounds again I would be a happy man, but from my personal experience using the 2 of them, the cheaper, much easier to obtain 6p is a far sturdier and more dependable character

1: yes 6p leech is definetly enough to beat a minato, even if beating means outlasting and not killing

2: the 50% chance t dodge would be op,. if it worked, 4th day with sb minato and even with stubbornly using him all the time to prove myself wrong, would you like to know how many times my dodge has triggered? 6, 6 times in total

3:minato standard is not op, like I have said, scaling is great sure, but minato starting stats are bad, so out the gate his damage his weak, you need many rounds of scaling for his damage to come close to being considered OP, and as mentioned above, since mine cant dodge, keeping him alive for long enough to gain power is no small feat

4: you think minato can fair better against kushina and kakuzu than 6p? kakuzu undodgeable mystery+ double standard hitting a minato that wont dodge= unless you have a huge power advantage you are not dealing enough damage to overcome that kakuzus scaling defense and health recovery

either you do not have 6p and sb minato or your experience with minato has been the literall opposite to my experience these past few days

I agree I hate 6p, i got him the day he was released and i never use him, one more 10 round match on auto watching that monotonous character accomplish nothing and just leech to survive and I think I will slip into a coma of boredom.

I could happily never face or use 6p ever again, these forums seem like a bad place to post, too many idiots, not you, but in general, yeah I see why naruto fans have a certain reputation.

I made a thread sharing my first hand experience, not for a second claiming that I am stating facts, or that my minato not working should affect other peoples choices or play styles, and the replies in general are nothing short of gibberish

"duh minato is great" thank you, very clear argument who could possibly argue with this

"you dont have the same expensive team or the same sb nagato as me therefore your experience is null" - again the logical is incredible

"Shh, guys, let OP whine, don't say it out loud how good he is, we don't want him getting nerfed. " - again very useful, I especially liked the parts where you didnt address a single thing I said

one poster saying he beat an edo minato team and the reply to his post- " then he was an idiot"- wont even entertain the idea that minato isnt a god tier character, just instantly dismisses another players experience, because god forbid somebody has had a different experience than they have? how dare they.

any mod stumbles into this thread, feel free to delete please, lesson learnt, want to share your experience, maybe have an actual conversation, do not come here. Thank you