If we calculate via seal scrolls... we need 2k seals (unlucky 1st time) to get madara founder = 200k cps/ingots if u count 1 seal as 100 cps

If you want to get him 4star... u need to get his dupe 5 times --> 5 x 2k = 10k seals = 1 mil cps/ingots

Ofcourse you will get 4star kumara and 4star edo hashi when using those 1.2 mil cps in seal scrolls for madara founder 4star... but if we only count him, 200k cps for him 4star is CHEAP.