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On 2019-05-30 12:56:12Show this Author Only
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OK.
So, as everybody listen the holy Scarlet, (sorry scarlet, i really respect you), i did my own test on Kakashi.

What i used :

-Fire main for 60 chakra r2 and use m5k after kurama

-Kurama
-M5k

Kurama's buff CAN be removed.

Now if you don't trust me, go test your self. I'm out.


Edit : I try for bee's mystery and the immunity to intteruption, yep i was wrong, it get removed ;)




This post was last edited by Thibs on 2019-05-30 13:01:48.
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On 2019-05-30 15:55:30Show this Author Only
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I like how y'all are just getting on a man who was just trying to help. Do you not know how hard it is to put yourself out there with your knowledge?

Chill out guys, let the man breathe

And btw, this was about 6p counters and y'all made it about kurama...tsk

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On 2019-05-30 15:56:42Show this Author Only
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  • Tamakens 宿南 On 2019-05-29 19:22:29
  • kisame shark mode works different than madara, you can keep the buff after using mystery while madara removes all of it.


Nice job, don't be discouraged by scarlet

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On 2019-05-30 15:59:11Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2019-05-29 19:28:02
  • And where did i say that kisame removes buffs?

    I meant that i used to run kurama in that specific lineup because was a very solid team that used to be op before six paths appeared, not as a ninja that removed buffs (since obviously he doesn't do it...), but at that time han roshi sailor sakura, masked man/shisui and sand dust based teams were very very common, so was normal to face people that used them.

And scarlet, he/she (I'ma go with she) was just trying to state a fact, no where in her statement did she say that kisame shark removed buffs, she was saying that he didn't remove buffs.

You just went ahead to speak and spam your mouth with no concern or understanding for the people you might be hurting.

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On 2019-05-30 16:01:52Show this Author Only
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  • newninja On 2019-05-29 20:54:08
  • Just stop trying to give advises in this forum, since obviously you know nothing. Also pay respect when someone tries to teach you something and don't argue, boy.
    Jeez, such toxic players is impossible.

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On 2019-05-30 16:03:31Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2019-05-30 12:56:12
  • OK.
    So, as everybody listen the holy Scarlet, (sorry scarlet, i really respect you), i did my own test on Kakashi.

    What i used :

    -Fire main for 60 chakra r2 and use m5k after kurama

    -Kurama
    -M5k

    Kurama's buff CAN be removed.

    Now if you don't trust me, go test your self. I'm out.


    Edit : I try for bee's mystery and the immunity to intteruption, yep i was wrong, it get removed ;)

Thibs, you went to check your info and found a bit of mistakes, but still came back to tell us, even with the respect you gave to scarlet.

I respect you, don't be discouraged by these guys

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On 2019-05-30 16:04:16Show this Author Only
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And if any of y'all dare talk crap about me...just watch

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On 2019-05-30 17:17:38Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2019-05-30 04:32:41
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Try to give to roshi or to kushina habanero bee sst mystery then attack them with naruto six paths or chiriku chases after he put in queue the mystery and you'll see if you interrupt it or not.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2019-05-30 17:18:11.
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On 2019-05-30 17:19:28Show this Author Only
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  • Garv On 2019-05-29 23:47:53
  • it removes also the immunity to interruption.

    but, as Scarletblue told you, bee mystery says 'lasts for 2 rounds' so it explicitly specifies a quantity of rounds.

    Kurama naruto chase effect doesn't say that last for 1 round, but says that lasts 'until the end of the round', that is a big difference, infact, if you use Kurama mystery to trigger the chase after the standard attack action the combo boost doesn't carry to the following round, like, instead, Ay4th or MB lightning armor, for example, do with the immunity to debuffs (an effect that actually lasts for 1 round).

    This last case is the case you are mistaking with Kurama chase effect, but they are not the same and do not work in the same way.

    In general if an effect doesn't explicitly specifies a number of rounds then buff cleaning effects don't remove it because buff cleaning effects only reduce the total quantity of lasting rounds to 0.


    Look at it this way: kurama lands his mystery + chase in round 2.

    the game set up the duration of the boost up until the end of round 2. then comes the buff cleaning effect that reduces the duration of the boost by 10 rounds.

    Does this put an end to the battle's round 2?

    No.

    So when do the boost disappears?

    At the end of round 2.



Yep, works exactly this way.

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On 2019-05-30 17:23:33Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2019-05-30 12:56:12
  • OK.
    So, as everybody listen the holy Scarlet, (sorry scarlet, i really respect you), i did my own test on Kakashi.

    What i used :

    -Fire main for 60 chakra r2 and use m5k after kurama

    -Kurama
    -M5k

    Kurama's buff CAN be removed.

    Now if you don't trust me, go test your self. I'm out.


    Edit : I try for bee's mystery and the immunity to intteruption, yep i was wrong, it get removed ;)

Kakashi clone have 0 combo rate. If your ninja owns more than 9500 combo rate and you don't trigger the special effect of the standard attack even without relying on the buff is granted you were unlucky and the dice rolled under 5.

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On 2019-05-30 17:24:42Show this Author Only
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  • DeathViruz On 2019-05-30 15:55:30
  • I like how y'all are just getting on a man who was just trying to help. Do you not know how hard it is to put yourself out there with your knowledge?

    Chill out guys, let the man breathe

    And btw, this was about 6p counters and y'all made it about kurama...tsk

Because in the last two weeks there were 3 threads about the same question.

Is not hard to find the answer there.


EDIT:

https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-40773-1.html

https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-40766-1.html


Here is the link to the last two.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2019-05-30 17:34:38.
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On 2019-05-30 17:27:34Show this Author Only
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  • DeathViruz On 2019-05-30 15:59:11
  • And scarlet, he/she (I'ma go with she) was just trying to state a fact, no where in her statement did she say that kisame shark removed buffs, she was saying that he didn't remove buffs.

    You just went ahead to speak and spam your mouth with no concern or understanding for the people you might be hurting.

He was replying to me quoting me blatantly thinking that the reason why i didn't experience what thibs said was the fact i thought kisame worked as madara.

don't you see he is quoting me?




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2019-05-30 17:36:26.
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On 2019-05-30 20:58:00Show this Author Only
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  • Scarlettblue On 2019-05-30 17:23:33
  • Kakashi clone have 0 combo rate. If your ninja owns more than 9500 combo rate and you don't trigger the special effect of the standard attack even without relying on the buff is granted you were unlucky and the dice rolled under 5.

Come on Scarlet.. You think i tried only once ?

Just go try your self. You'll see.


Anyway, to "counter" 6p i have found a funny trick, viable only in arena imo

Sasuke ss p1 + Kurama if you have initiative : Sasuke mystery is indodgeable, same as kurama's chase ;) so you can interrupt dodge characters :D (it works with Kimono haku instead of kurama too)

But not a reliable counter imo, just fun fact.

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On 2019-05-30 21:23:48Show this Author Only
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  • DeathViruz On 2019-05-30 16:03:31
  • Thibs, you went to check your info and found a bit of mistakes, but still came back to tell us, even with the respect you gave to scarlet.

    I respect you, don't be discouraged by these guys

Thanks dude

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On 2019-05-31 00:23:49Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2019-05-29 20:04:27
  • As I said, i spam'd Kurama for months, in multiple setup; 1v1, 2v2, gnw

    When i play'd 2v2 with 2* m5k and use the second m5k's mystery after naruto's chase, he nearly NEVER combo. Or when people use MM's mystery or edo itachi after chase.

    Think what you want, it will not change our life but i'm sure it can be removed since it's a 1 round buff, and not an explosive mode.

    edit: and don't tell me "it's what you experienced blah blah .. " ; you don't know what i experienced wtf

Because he gots 80% boost on combo rate doesn’t guarantee that he will combo.it gets removed the next round.




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On 2019-05-31 00:31:09Show this Author Only
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To beat him I used water main 40% increase in escape,someone who dodges attacks and cancels barrier.it has a 50% chance of working(even when you’re 20k weaker).Ah also killer bee 100% doesn’t help against him at all.




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On 2019-05-31 00:40:43Show this Author Only
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  • herminido On 2019-05-31 00:23:49
  • Because he gots 80% boost on combo rate doesn’t guarantee that he will combo.it gets removed the next round.

As I said, i test'd it multiple times.
Do you even test it ? i doubt.


Why i even answer, i really should stop with that. Maybe i'm waiting for Holy Scarlet to test it? ;-)




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On 2019-05-31 01:06:48Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2019-05-31 00:40:43
  • As I said, i test'd it multiple times.
    Do you even test it ? i doubt.


    Why i even answer, i really should stop with that. Maybe i'm waiting for Holy Scarlet to test it? ;-)

it's very hard to test if you are right or not.

i mean, for how combo rate stats work you need to find somebody with 30% higher combo than you (to compensate the basic boost to combo every standard attack has, unless otherwise stated), use a lineup like kurama + han as move 2 + cee as move 3 and you should actually do 100+ hits looking at how many times in average you reduce cd.

against sombody with those stats, on paper, if you really remove the selfboost to combo, you should trigger the ignition + repulse + 10 combo hits effect around 5-10% of the times, while if the boost is up should be around 30-40%.

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On 2019-05-31 07:03:39Show this Author Only
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Here

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On 2019-06-01 02:54:58Show this Author Only
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  • Thibs On 2019-05-31 00:40:43
  • As I said, i test'd it multiple times.
    Do you even test it ? i doubt.


    Why i even answer, i really should stop with that. Maybe i'm waiting for Holy Scarlet to test it? ;-)

Yo, let them think what they want. So much false info has been spread in the forums that there is no point in trying to correct. Just read it for laughs bro. Even moderators spread wrong info and argue for themselves because they don’t want to be wrong


The only viable 6p counters are like kushina habenero and kakuzu grudge SB. Other teams are not really a “counter” but more of a have a chance since counters are supposed to do better than 50/50. Lm blitz does ok but will get cucked by edo itachi




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