lol i didnt ask this as a f2p its the others who wants to have rights like a p2w but it wont happen

well in the negative way a f2p will get there rights as a p2w

To update you guys a little more on what is happening; we have received a lot of feedback from various platforms (Naruto Online Forum, Discord, Private messages, etc) regarding the recent update notes/potential changes. Currently, there will be a meeting in the morning in regards to tomorrow’s update and we will update you guys as soon as more is known.

I do really appreciate you guys taking the time to reach out to us. Thank you again!

I'd personally be more against rune stones than refines. Keys are available everywhere and propably thats the most efficient item to get from moon shop. Because of that players have more incentive to stack p1 (because they actually have resources) which delays filling the gap between your own p1 and p234 even more. If I dont want this, why dont I simply neglect lv13 14 runes and * to upgrading p234? Because cave keys are easily obtainale and current p1 stacking meta of other people will force me to upgrade p1 to stay relevant. Now if refines are mostly unavailable (and they arent efficient that much, see below) its good to have them, because you can hoard those items over time and when the time comes, youll actually have something to upgrade. It doesnt hurt YOUR account progression as much as runes.

One key rebate (1050) gives about between 1/3 to 1/2 progress from lv11->lv12 stone, which on average makes 2-3 rebates to upgrade 1 rune. If leveling costs followed same pattern as 11->12, then it would take 3-4.5 rebates to upgrade a single rune to lv13, and then 4.5~7 to get that rune to lv14. I dont even have full 5x lv12 yet, and at this point i dont want to be forced to upgrade p1 even more.

China had yellow refines in sun coin shop for 200/1 in the picture, which makes it the most cost efficient item after bond scroll packs. It takes 1500 refines to lvl up and stat increase goes from 665->910, which is 245gain (490with max purification). That takes 94.5k coupons to lvl up a single refine (shop price). Lets break that into smaller numbers. Would you pay 9.5k cp for 49 of each secondary stats for jsut 1 position? No. Thats (more or less) equivalent of 7 bt pills in stats, so youd get around 100bp. Considering the cost this feature has pretty bad efficiency ratio (10cp:1bp), not as bad as battle armor but still its on lower end of the spectrum.

Problem with those features will lie solely in where those refines will be available and at what price/ammounts. If they won't be s*fed to players in crazy ammounts in recharge events, nobody (ftp folk) will care, same as with advanced threads. If they are event only (not activities like swb, spacetime) we are good. People who spend for them sure will get better p1, but that ammount of money could have been invested more efficiently. That applies to people around your bp, theres no point in competing ftp with whale and saying the gap will be larger because thats obvious and you shouldnt even think of competing with whales in the first place.

Tl;dr refines are good as long as they arent given away in hundreds in recharge/spend events. For low spenders their implementation isnt end of the world, its just a feature that will increase one's power in a year or so for the first time. People who are against this are whales, who dont want to be forced to spend a lot of $ on non efficient feature just because you will find mroe competitive whale who will do so.

Are you really suggesting blame on the f2p for asking for new content? What a laugh! You know friggin well that when f2pers are asking for new CONTENT they aren't meaning ("Oh, please Oasis, introduce something in the game that only whales will monopolize on, oh please!"). They were asking for actual game features and stuffs missing from previous versions!! Not brand spanking new crap that just happens to be the new avenue for them to make money. Get real man.

I'm sorry to say, but I have ZERO faith in your (not necessarily YOU specifically, I mean Oasis Dev Staff in general) ability to give a crap and actually stop this from being implemented. They (or this time YOU specifically) weren't paying attention at ALL ..... (or perhaps it was intentionally ignored in the hopes we will just bend over and take it) If you even bothered to look in the forums or Discord, anyone would have seen the obvious push back with these new runes and refines. I saw it immediately and knew the entire community was against it. It would be extremely hard to believe that you people didn't see it either. So instead of putting things that actually benefit everyone, you decided (ONCE A FRIGGIN AGAIN!!!) to opt for the option that NO ONE ASKED FOR and will make you the most money. Pathetic. You deserve ALL of this * back 1000 times over.

if make it cheaper moon coin and sun coin unlimited then yes make adv refinement more common it be fine

It's not an issue for my guild mates, because we are not in first...lets say 300 servers.

It's not that I do not understand the concept/problem. I am simply confused about the very harsh pushback. If it is really about closing the gap, I would have expected the exact same pushback everytime they added a new power feature. New Myoboku, Treasure tool level increase to 100/25 (which was announced, but is not yet in the game), ninja assist which heavly favours recharing more (more flags) and can generate 10-20k gaps easy... five natures, which boosts the resists.

So, yes, my confusion why the community pushes back so hard on this topic, but was not raging when the other features widened the gape is still beyond my understanding. And no i would not go * cashing to get lvl 11+ antime soon. And yes I went for double no on the survey.

ill agree with you on when a f2p says they want more content they moslty mean somthing to kep them busy not really they talking in general on adding more power items so fast in the game when there are struggling to 8 to level 10 level refine if i do the math properly if any OG people played the game sense day 1 then you should know how long it took you to where you gotten example refine runes which is about 2 years to get where im at besides that you know how much it will cost? level 10 was 1000 refines and it seems to double after that 11 is going to be 2000 refine 12 4 refine and finally the boss fight 13 8 refines i here by hello whales of naruto and RIp me and f2p/lowcasher

you do know sense this thread was made there going to have a long @$$ delay dew to both sides complaining that means we going to have to wait for the event delay plus the delay of them coming down to a decision

Delays don't bother me so as long as its worthwhile or they take the time to cater to the ENTIRE PLAYER base and not just the ones that give them money. They still haven't learned at all that the free players are their staple that keeps the whales playing. If someone doesn't understand why that is, well, think about it for a little bit.

I just don't understand how can this company fail so * hard on the simplest of things. Is it really that bad to just give things away? These are virtual items that they have no inventory to count, no storage to stockpile, it doesn't expire, or anything like that. Yet, they treat their players like complete dirt. If a player makes a gamebreaking mistake, they have the power to be nice and correct it (even if its just one time and they tell the player that!) they would get alot more positive press and earn the community's respect. I've noticed that when they screw up, their first inclination is to claim that it is as intended and never admit to a mistake. I can't think of a single instance where they said, "We are sorry, we made a mistake, here is a hefty pile of freebies and we will correct it and make it fair for everyone." Not ever. Case in point, the people that benefited from the dirt cheap Sakura/Sasuke boxes way back when. People got 3ooo plus frags for a measly 2k coupons. They immediately patched it, then lied that they would bring it back the way it was and instead put a severe limit on it......to which led to even MORE problems when people redeemed for the item in its place, etc etc etc. Oh, and they also said that they would bring them back and just as cheap again....never effing did. Liars.

Oasis staff fails to realize the real reasons why they are always at odds with the majority of the player base; its because their mentality is, "What can the customer do for us!" instead of, "How can we make them happy this week?"

Meh, they will never learn, ever.

The treasure tool levels and specialty are free to play features, we use the ore we gather in mines to level the tool and the specialty increases passively with the level, because ore are so easy to gather for free and so hard to get with cp/ingots no-one would spend for them, to be honest there may be some f2p who will finish leveling once we get the new cap before spenders like me because we will need so many more ore than we get hold that we need to stockpile it in worthless tools that we then recycle when the new levels come out to finish early, which most spenders wont bother with cause its a pain for very little reward sooner and we will cap them soon enough for free that we don't need to worry.

ninja assist also gets flags for cp, last sakura gift we got one for 3k cp(less if you used the free daily rewards toward it as well), since it will hopefully be during a fuku deals that we get another flag its a big win for f2p, and the amount of flags needed is pretty low, 10 ninjas total currently, 3 for free by default and 1 free flag to start you off means 6 flags, 18k cp at previous prices and you have all the flags, but this feature is also a very good return on investment for power, so it can help f2p catch up to p2p who stacked their m1 so that the f2p won't be one shot as easily.

5 natures gives at best a 15% boost to damage/resistance and it costs a lot of money to do so, most don't spend on it at all because early levels the difference isn't noticeable and later there is no difference since you get one shot by the whale anyway, and if you spent those cp on other features you would have gotten better damage/resistance boosts because of the better return on the other features.

those are the reasons people didn't bother getting up in arms over those features.

my groups are in the same state we just finished our m1/2 done were at lvl 8 but its hard to farm these adv refines since they arent easy to get in time but it looks like they did this way to fast

I saw people here who were clearly f2ps asking for sbs from ninjas such as Ay 4th and kazuzu to come. It doesn't take much to research that as a f2p, you won't benefit compared to a whale. I'm more focused on those f2ps who asked for new content (basically stuff from China and not brand new stuff) and have no regard on who it benefits.

Yes, even though the new refinements won't matter as much to the majority as they're still focusing on medium to advanced, it is introducing something that only a select few is what is what people are angry about. Remember how Madara jin was added here? Both scenarios focused on whales who are more capable of doing it while leaving the majority out. I honestly don't care as much both scenarios as I have other priorities in refinement and worry about a ninja that lacks a punch but some do

People were saying here no one would buy Madara yet people have (unless people have actual proofs that they were plants). So for the whales that are upset in spending more, it seems like Tencent/Oasis is willing to use that same tactic with Madara to see who amongst them is willing to max the refinements once more and giving them the treatment of how the f2ps are feeling.

you re indeed spitting facts tho not going to lie

Those skill breaks won't break the current naruto meta...add edo itachi,wm and 5kage/sasuke rinne .I Lose to naruto 6 paths with skill boken kakuzu with 50-80k power gap and 10k advantage on ini,crit,injury. Dodge ninjas counters super armor +1 , edo itachi counters double attack + nin boost. They need to release ay 4th and susanoo sasuke skill breaks...they are not good anymore compared to naruto and there are counters...only way u lose is the enemy has 5k + ini,crit,injury advantage over you. Getting really sick of playing same team without skill breaks. It has been a power creep+ grind and no fun lately....say yes to skill trials...better for all. These jealous people saying no to skill trial and asking to nerf spending/recharge is what causing whales to quit and things are getting bad for f2p;whales quitting=they have to nerf f2p events to makeup for lost profit so. As for lvl increase of refines and cave keys....ya, I say no because it will be pos 1 online and people who spent on spreading(most f2p and heavy spenders worked on maxing pos 2-4) going to be mad.

The problem with the Ay skill breaks and stuff like it is, in CN, they needed to be 3*. Oasis decided to increase the requirement and punish players who went and got those ninjas from treasures instead of spending.

Why not add % tactic if they want to add epic runes.

China just recently got this feature and here we are.

The way i look at it, this will drag out stacking move 1 even further...

with those stats, move 1 ninja will decide most things if not already.

but also, i'm sure oasis are expanding the stats, coz the top whale reach the limit,

and if they don't break the upper limit, the whales will get bored and quit too..

like having a ton of ingots from recharging but nothing worth spending on.

honestly don't expect f2p to chase stats like the whales would.