In what, strength?

In an overall fight statistics if anyone (except madara and maybe sage kabuto) would ever fight him one on one during the time he showed up in the war arc.

Also, I would like to say I might have been sleep deprived when I made this thread since I remember typing it out but I thought I was dreaming it. Please do remove this thread if it's not allowed or anything.

But, naruto beat him one on one. ..? Then there are itachi, nagato, obito.

Naruto beat him because of someone telling him how to actually beat the raikage. If that hadn't happened, Naruto would just keep on lobbing him with rasenshurikens that do little to no damage to him. Itachi honestly I don't see him winning against raikage since the only thing he has to damage him is the totsuka blade and that's assuming he can hit the raikage with it. Nagato, you got me there I completely forgot about this monster. Obito as well.

Naruto wasn`t told how to beat him, he figured out himself how to do it after he talked with Eight Tail. He told Naruto that when they fought they both collapsed and then Naruto realized how to beat him. Besides that, Naruto was able to actually hit Raikage with his rasenshuriken without knowing anything about him so i`m pretty sure he could beat him.

Do we really argue about Itachi? Ok. Itachi was a genius, even after his death he managed to help the world id say by ending the Edo Tensei Jutsu. He had Totsuka Blade, a blade that could seal anyone just by piercing him, he had Yata Mirror, the most power shield that could negate any attack whether it be spiritual, or physical. He could use Amaterasu, Tsukuyomi, Izanami, Susanoo and other justsus. So, yes, Itachi vs Raikage is like a giant truck vs a baby duck.

Talking with the eight tales plus one of the land of lightning guys telling him about the scar is what gave naruto the idea of using raikage's attacks against him. Without those, naruto wouldn't have beaten him. He hit the raikage with a rasenshuriken and literally it did nothing to the raikage. Even naruto stated it. This is especially impressive considering that wind naturally counters lightning and yet rasenshuriken did nothing to the raikage but to remove his lightning armor.

Okay now on to itachi. Itachi using amaterasu wouldn't do anything but to maybe burn the battlefield since the fourth raikage was able to easily dodge sasuke's amaterasu and proceeded to nearly blitz sasuke. The third raikage is stated to be faster and stronger than the fourth so I don't see amaterasu hitting him. Itachi's intelligence and ability to find a weakness to every jutsu is dangerous for most opponents, but not for the third raikage considering his most powerful technique literally has not weakness except to pull out a jutsu powerful enough to break through his perfect shield; something that itachi doesn't have since he hasn't really shown any strong wind techniques. Totsuka blade is iffy at best since it's a big sword that can be easily dodged given you have the speed to do so. To further upon this, itachi had to capitalize on nagato being momentarily dazed by chibaku tensei's destruction to be able to hit him with the blade.

The yata mirror is the most OP thing in the anime and manga but it is also not omnidirectional. Itachi's susanoo also hinders his movements making him a slow and big target. If he can turn the mirror fast enough, then he can hold off the raikage but given the raikage's speed, he could just go around the back of itachi's susanoo and hit him from there with his strongest spear technique which can definitely pierce the susanoo.

I just don't see itachi having anything other than the totsuka blade to combat the raikage and that is considering he can even hit the raikage.

edit: also forgot to point out that tsukuyomi and genjutsu would only work if the opponent directly looks at itachi's eyes, which the raikage would most certainly not do. And with his speed, I doubt itachi would be able to force the raikage to look at him. To further upon this, madara had to stop the fourth raikage with his susanoo so he could put him under genjutsu. I don't see itachi's susanoo doing that to a faster and stronger third raikage.

You`re missing the most important thing. Yes, his rasenshuriken did almost no dmg to him but it still hit Raikage despite his lightning speed, destroyed his armor and left him unconscious for a short period which was enough time for the sealing group to almost catch him. Now, Naruto was able to hit Raikage so he can hit him. Using Sage Mode; Frog Kumite he could sense danger over a wide range and so he could avoid Raikage's strongest justsu as he did in the anime. So (i know i`m repeating myself, sorry for that, its just my style of arguing) Naruto can hit Raikage, destroying his armor and also he can avoid his attacks using sage mode.

Now Itachi. Yes, maybe Amaterasu couldnt hit Raikage but as you said he could burn the battlefield and due to that he could restrict Raigake's movements. I've seen Naruto Shippuden twice and i dont remember anyone saying that Susanoo makes the user slower (From what i know Susanoo is made from chakra and i don't think chakra is so heavy that it would restrict Itachi's movements, if you have any proof on that please show me, it would be a nice information ;) ). Yes its a big target since Susanoo is big but its also a shield who prevents the user being injured by physical attacks ( Raikage's speciality). I'm not saying that Susanoo alone could negate Raikage's justsu but it would give Itachi enough time to react and improve the defense with Yata Mirror or maybe to attack with Totsuka Blade. Its true that Tsukuyomi and other genjutsu wouldnt affect Raikage (probably) but Izanami on the other side doesnt require visual contact, it requires physical sensations.

P.S. Its not necessary to use wind style to defeat a lightning style user.

Everyone in the Hidden Cloud knew the Raikage was injured, none of them were able to figure out why. Even Gyuki (8tail) didn't remember how it happens. Yet Naruto, just from hearing about it was able to deduced what happened. That, my friend, is called a strength that separates him from other people. If you simply take someone's strength away because it's not to your liking, ofc said person would lose the advantage and can't win anymore. If that's how you choose to argue, this argument is pointless. It's the equivalent to saying, if Naruto didn't fart, he would have lost to Kiba or, if Naruto didn't dig that hole, he'd have lost to Neji, or if Naruto didn't dig that hole, Shikamaru would have lost to Temari before he got the chance to surrender. Taking advantage of everything and everyone at your disposal is key tactic in winning battles, you simply cannot separate it just because you don't like it.

Lol, Itachi can beat anyone in this anime, what are you talking about?

1. AY has to get close to hit Itachi, Itachi is in Susanoo, Amaterasu on Susanoo, gets burned. Btw he can't damage the Susanoo too much, most likely he can only crack it. Also, the whole battlefield could have Amaterasu on it.

2. Gets grabbed then hit once with Totsuka Blade.

3. Gets hit by Tsukuyomi. (honestly the sharingan is already too much for him)

4. Runs into Totsuka Blade with his finger. (lol)

5. Itachi could be the fastest character in the series but never had to move too much to show it. How do you know he's not the fastest, since it's said he's the only character who could sit down and finish every fight? He never had to get serious.

6. Even without the Susanoo the only thing every other characters would hit is his crow clones.

7. Raikage could be hitting himself without even knowing it all along, thinking he's hitting Itachi.

Totsuka Blade is the strongest weapon in all of Naruto, anyone hit by it once gets stuck forever in another dimension. It is what is called a "hax" skill. The Sharingan is also a hax ability, and these hax abilities are the only thing Naruto Characters have that can give them a chance vs DBZ characters for example, and trust me, Goku could obliterate AY in less than a second.

Look I'm not taking away anything from naruto but the info literally given to him is not an inherent part of himself, it's an outside factor. If he had fought the raikage without gyuki there to tell him the story of how he fought the raikage or that lightning ninja to tell him about the scar, then he would have at best been in a stalemate with the raikage where he would keep launching rasenshurikens until he either runs out of chakra or is forced to retreat. It would have been another thing if Naruto were able to put together the pieces by himself (which would be impossible) which is why the lightning ninja and gyuki had to be there to tell him about it.

As he may seem he's not that stu.pid lol. He could figure it out that sage justsus works on Jin Madara. He's not as smart as Sasuke in combat but still c*e his brain.

Itachi is by no means the fastest character in the series. Arguably, shisui is faster than him and so is minato. Now, true that Ay does have to get close to him to attack but it doesn't really matter if he can close the gap between him and itachi in literally less than a second. During the fight between the fourth raikage and sasuke, sasuke was struggling to keep track of the raikage even with his eternal mangekyou sharingan; something that itachi did not have. If sasuke had trouble with the fourth raikage, then I don't see itachi faring any better against the stronger third raikage. Also to mention is that itachi has never shown the ability to control amaterasu the way sasuke does to cover his susanoo like a flame armor.

And as I've already said earlier, the tsukuyomi is a non-factor given itachi wouldn't really be able to force raikage to look him in the eyes for him to use it. The raikage's speed is faster than the sharingan can see.

I'm saying it under the pretense that the susanoo, when formed, acts as a physical object that can interact with the environment. If the susanoo would allow the user to move just as freely as they can without it, then itachi would have kept it on all throughout his fight with naruto and bee. Same thing with madara. We could see his susanoo cause him to be slower as shown when even gaara and tsunade were dodging attacks from him as opposed to when he didn't have it on. The susanoo user just stands stationary and only really runs or jumps. And so with that in mind, that's why I said that itachi might not be able to turn the yata mirror in time to react to the third raikage.

Why are you relying on Sasuke vs Fourth. Itachi was far stronger than Sasuke at that time. And to be honest, Itachi doesnt need Amaterasu, Tsumuyomi or genjutsu. He may need Susanoo to protect but in the end Izanami cannot be stopped by Raikage so izi win.

What, no. But before I explain, let me point out that sasuke DID NOT have eternal mangekyou at the five kage summit that was a mistake. But that said, sasuke obtained a substantial powerup that rivaled itachi's during the summit arc. I'm not saying he could win against itachi, but the only thing stopping sasuke from surpassing him is the totsuka blade and yata mirror. I bring up the raikage vs sasuke part because it's a good way to scale off itachi and the third raikage. Sasuke at that point was comparable to itachi, with itachi being slightly more powerful. The third is more powerful than the fourth and if sasuke is comparable to itachi, then it's safe to say that the third is a bit too much for itachi to handle. Also, the condition to use izanami is to replicate the sensation you and your opponent feel during a clash of attacks (like when itachi blocked kabuto's weird claw hands with his sword) Now, if you can concretely say that itachi can do that block with the raikage's full powered thrust then I concede that izanami would be a closing factor.

Bro, Itachi is a few times faster than Lightning. Sasuke got blitzed by Ay 4th raikage remember? Naruto dodged Ay 4th, then a dead Itachi dodged Naruto in his KCM mode.

Like I said he never had to use his full power, he could be weakened, dying and still beat the top tiers in the anime. Along with a lot of hax abilities, he basically has everything going on for him

With Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade alone he has the potential to beat everybody in the Narutoverse and even the Borutoverse.

One deflects all attacks and the other can slash through anything and imprison someone forever in another dimension with just one touch.

Everyone who says there are stronger characters than Itachi in the series is oblivious to these facts and just looks at the physical feats, or thinks, since a character is presented later in the series he must be stronger. Well, no.

I don't know if this was made clear, but naruto was holding back against itachi since they were having a nice and friendly conversation (joking) but needless to say, if naruto were actually going at full speed against itachi, it would have been over before they could finish that conversastion. Itachi's speed is mid tier and at best is comparable to sasuke's. And if you want to bring up the dead part, then the raikage is also in a weakened edo tensei form and would have been much faster and more powerful if he were alive. For real, anyone who doesn't have sage mode, kcm, or isn't minato is not gonna be able to keep up with the third's speed.

edited: and you rely too much on totsuka blade and yata mirror which is a problem for a lot of debates that involve itachi since it makes him a one shot pony. Again, yes he could just seal the raikage with the blade but only IF he hits him with it, which I highly doubt he can do.

I'll do the same thing and i'll bring up the fight between Naruto and Raikage. If Naruto could hit Raikage with rasenshuriken and later with rasengan its fair to say that Itachi could do the same thing and even better since he was far far far stronger than Naruto. Also i dont think we can compare the Sasuke vs fourth fight and Itachi vs third fight that much. Fourth style of fightning and third style were different just as Sasuke and Itachi's. And if you still want to compare them, i'll say that Sasuke was able to injure Fourth with Amaterasu and if Gaara wasnt there to stop fourth it would`ve ended much worse than with a cutted hand.

Where did you get that itachi is far far stronger than naruto at kcm? Naruto was holding back against him during their fight to tell him about sasuke. If he had gone full speed, itachi would have gotten overwhelmed. And the fourth and third use practically the same lightning armor jutsu, just that the third is far more superior to the fourth. This was stated.

I use it to compare because itachi and sasuke have the same level of visual prowess (both using mangekyou) and the specific point I was bringing up is the speed blitz that sasuke had to endure before he caught the raikage in his blaze release susanoo armor. I specifically pointed out that sasuke couldn't keep track of the fourth's speed. Ergo, the third who is even faster would be too much for itachi to keep track of. Now, if you're going to argue that itachi's visual prowess is greater than sasuke's then please name a scenario where that was stated or shown. Because as it was shown in the mange and anime, pretty much every sharingan provides the same boost in visual capabilities. It's just a matter of by how much it boosts the person's base.

edit: sasuke and itachi's style are not that far off. Itachi literally passed his powers on to sasuke. The only outlier is the totsuka and yata mirror which he kept for himself.

edit edit: and like I already mentioned as well, the rasenshuriken did nothing. It didn't damage the raikage. That's the point I'm trying to make here. If one of the strongest wind techniques coming from a KCM amped naruto didn't damage the raikage, I don't see itachi dishing out a technique that can damage the raikage either (since he has never shown a technqiue with the same level of destructive power as the rasenshuriken. Except maybe for yasaka magatama)