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On 2019-04-08 21:44:49Show All Posts
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Lol, Itachi can beat anyone in this anime, what are you talking about?

1. AY has to get close to hit Itachi, Itachi is in Susanoo, Amaterasu on Susanoo, gets burned. Btw he can't damage the Susanoo too much, most likely he can only crack it. Also, the whole battlefield could have Amaterasu on it.

2. Gets grabbed then hit once with Totsuka Blade.

3. Gets hit by Tsukuyomi. (honestly the sharingan is already too much for him)

4. Runs into Totsuka Blade with his finger. (lol)

5. Itachi could be the fastest character in the series but never had to move too much to show it. How do you know he's not the fastest, since it's said he's the only character who could sit down and finish every fight? He never had to get serious.

6. Even without the Susanoo the only thing every other characters would hit is his crow clones.

7. Raikage could be hitting himself without even knowing it all along, thinking he's hitting Itachi.

Totsuka Blade is the strongest weapon in all of Naruto, anyone hit by it once gets stuck forever in another dimension. It is what is called a "hax" skill. The Sharingan is also a hax ability, and these hax abilities are the only thing Naruto Characters have that can give them a chance vs DBZ characters for example, and trust me, Goku could obliterate AY in less than a second.




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On 2019-04-08 22:48:52Show All Posts
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  • joshtaku On 2019-04-08 22:12:55
  • Itachi is by no means the fastest character in the series. Arguably, shisui is faster than him and so is minato. Now, true that Ay does have to get close to him to attack but it doesn't really matter if he can close the gap between him and itachi in literally less than a second. During the fight between the fourth raikage and sasuke, sasuke was struggling to keep track of the raikage even with his eternal mangekyou sharingan; something that itachi did not have. If sasuke had trouble with the fourth raikage, then I don't see itachi faring any better against the stronger third raikage. Also to mention is that itachi has never shown the ability to control amaterasu the way sasuke does to cover his susanoo like a flame armor.

    And as I've already said earlier, the tsukuyomi is a non-factor given itachi wouldn't really be able to force raikage to look him in the eyes for him to use it. The raikage's speed is faster than the sharingan can see.

Bro, Itachi is a few times faster than Lightning. Sasuke got blitzed by Ay 4th raikage remember? Naruto dodged Ay 4th, then a dead Itachi dodged Naruto in his KCM mode.

Like I said he never had to use his full power, he could be weakened, dying and still beat the top tiers in the anime. Along with a lot of hax abilities, he basically has everything going on for him

With Yata Mirror and Totsuka Blade alone he has the potential to beat everybody in the Narutoverse and even the Borutoverse.

One deflects all attacks and the other can slash through anything and imprison someone forever in another dimension with just one touch.

Everyone who says there are stronger characters than Itachi in the series is oblivious to these facts and just looks at the physical feats, or thinks, since a character is presented later in the series he must be stronger. Well, no.




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On 2019-04-08 23:07:15Show All Posts
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  • joshtaku On 2019-04-08 22:57:12
  • I don't know if this was made clear, but naruto was holding back against itachi since they were having a nice and friendly conversation (joking) but needless to say, if naruto were actually going at full speed against itachi, it would have been over before they could finish that conversastion. Itachi's speed is mid tier and at best is comparable to sasuke's. And if you want to bring up the dead part, then the raikage is also in a weakened edo tensei form and would have been much faster and more powerful if he were alive. For real, anyone who doesn't have sage mode, kcm, or isn't minato is not gonna be able to keep up with the third's speed.


    edited: and you rely too much on totsuka blade and yata mirror which is a problem for a lot of debates that involve itachi since it makes him a one shot pony. Again, yes he could just seal the raikage with the blade but only IF he hits him with it, which I highly doubt he can do.

With the Totsuka Blade he can seal anything and anyone if he plays his cards right. With all his other abilities and intelligence, and the fact he may be way faster than you think, he'll play his cards right every single time. Itachi was sick in his edo tensei form by the way.

AY is fodder to him.




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On 2019-04-08 23:37:00Show All Posts
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  • joshtaku On 2019-04-08 23:24:51
  • What?? no itachi was not sick which is what made his edo tensei form so formidable, because he wasn't coughing up blood each time he uses a jutsu. And I am giving out scenarios on why I think what I think while you're just basing off of vague opinions you have about the character. Show me statements or proof that itachi can pull it off.


    btw, you saying "faster than you think" is really vague. Unless you can show me proof that itachi can move faster than the raikage and react the same way naruto did against the raikage, then I stand by what I said.

He was sick when he died so I assumed his Edo Tensei form was also weakened. Regardless of that, all Edo Tensei forms are weaker versions of the ninjas when they were alive, just that they have more durability and chakra in Edo Tensei.

I already stated he was able to dodge KCM Naruto, but I will give you one more feat you seem to forget. He was able to create a Susanoo and deflect Kirin, thus he is considered faster than lightning, since Kirin is supposed to be literal Lightning in the anime.




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On 2019-04-08 23:40:13Show All Posts
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This is why Itachi can beat anyone in the series:

1. Totsuka Blade can absorb and imprison something in another dimension with just one touch, it can be used for both attack and defense. For example, Totsuka blade can absorb Madara's meteors, can absorb his entire Susanoo along with him.

2. Yata Mirror can block anything (defense)

3. Susanoo (another form that gives him extra attack and defense), the Susanoo is chakra so he can move as fast with it than without it

4. Now for speed, he was able to create the Susanoo before Kirin hit him (lightning). He also dodged Kurama Naruto which was able to dodge Ay Fourth Raikage. We don't know much about his speed since he was the only character in the series who was stated to be able to beat anyone without even moving. He could actually be the fastest character in the series, how do you know he's not?

5. Totsuka Blade and Yata Mirror are clearly Hax abilities, but then he also has a special type of Sharingan which is able to do the Tsukuyomi, Susanoo, Amaterasu, Izanami and Izanagi. Tsukuyomi is the second greatest genjutsu in the series after Shisui's. He also has Shisui's eye in the crow.

6. If Itachi is trolling, all the other characters in the anime would only hit themselves or his crow clones.

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On 2019-04-08 23:58:12Show All Posts
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  • joshtaku On 2019-04-08 23:46:21
  • 1. No. Totsuka blade can't seal inorganic material. Only organic ones like humans or animals. It is not going to absorb madara's meteors I don't even know where you got that from.

    2. Yata mirror is not omni-directional. It can only defend in one direction at once. If he gets hit with anything like a tailed beast bomb or like the aforementioned meteor, he is going to die.

    3. Faster than anyone? Have you seen minato? Or KCM 2 naruto? You put too much confidence in itachi's speed when the best thing he has shown is a higher level of body flicker. Please, do show me where you got the statement that he can beat anyone by standing still.

    4. He only used crow clones early on in shippuden. In the war arc, where most of the characters are above lightning speed, he doesn't use them anymore since it won't even work anymore. It's a subtle use of substitution jutsu that uses crows. It relies on speed. There's a reason why he isn't shown using it anymore in the war arc and that's because anyone who is fast enough isn't going to fall for it.

1. It can seal anyone it touches, it can't be blocked since it's a spirit weapon. Even if it doesn't seal inorganic material it still turns it to liquid for a while, it just spills out of the gourd and eventually turns back to what it was, but is not a danger anymore. Then again, you might argue the Kusanagi Blade was spilled because it was also a special type weapon. Everything else was absorbed when he fought Orochimaru.

2. Yata mirror actually deflects any attack, if he used Yata mirror against kirin, it would be thrown back at Sasuke. Itachi didn't want that so he tanked the hit with the Susanoo. So the Susanoo alone is a great defense.

3. Even if he is not the fastest, he is one of the fastest. And we never got the chance to see him at full speed. That statement was somewhere in the manga, along the lines that he's the only ninja who can just sit calmly somewhere and finish any battle. Don't remember the exact words, and can't seem to find the image anymore.

4. Also I was joking with the crow clones.




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On 2019-04-09 00:01:44Show All Posts
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  • joshtaku On 2019-04-08 23:59:01
  • What I initially wanted to be a fun debate has turned into an itachi nonsense war. Please remove or close the thread. I'm not even going to respond anymore. All these head canons being thrown. I just wanted to move past itachi and go on to other characters more fun to talk about like minato against the raikage, onoki, or maybe even hiruzen. But darn, always itachi. Sick of it.

Well you clearly downplayed Itachi in the original post.

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On 2019-04-09 00:05:39Show All Posts
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  • Haotiq On 2019-04-09 00:03:04
  • As i said before Susanoo acts like a shield. He covers the entire body of the users even his back. I simply dont believe that Raikage would pierce Susanoo in a second and kill Itachi. Itachi is a genius and he doenst need hours to react, just a second.


    I.m not saying that Raikage isnt strong, his jutsu is indeed a great one, but facing Itachi it would be useless since we are not talking just about pure strenght but about strategy too.

Lol the original poster thought the raikage could just get behind itachi and pierce his susanoo and kill him. While Itachi is not doing anything. Even so, at best it could only crack the susanoo, or his finger going inside the susanoo a little bit, not enough to reach itachi.

TBH Kirin is a stronger jutsu than raikage's finger.




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On 2019-04-09 00:39:55Show All Posts
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  • Haotiq On 2019-04-09 00:19:16
  • Well i understand him. He likes 3rd just as i like Itachi which is also my favorite character. We took it too far anyways.


    Well, Minato vs Raikage. Minato is named Yellow Flash for a reason, he was able to kill 1000 shinobi alone and as we could see in the anime he could easily surpass 4th in speed at a certain moment. Somehow he managed to even get the KM while dead.In my opinion in normal state Raikage may be able to get Minato but in Edo Tensei state i dont think he stands a chance.

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Even Zetsu who knew everyone's level of power and abilities all the way up to Kaguya stated Itachi is invincible.






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On 2019-04-09 01:40:35Show All Posts
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get your facts straight

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On 2019-04-09 23:56:15Show All Posts
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Btw it states here that anyone and anything it pierces will be trapped in another realm for eternity. So he can trap objects too if he wants based on this.

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^Kaguya soloed by Itachi




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On 2019-04-10 00:24:35Show All Posts
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On 2019-04-10 03:35:24Show All Posts
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  • momohiu On 2019-04-10 03:19:11
  • Edo tensei ninja are not weaker than when they were alive. When Madara came from the death he was stronger than when he was alive because Kabuto enhanced the jutsu and the body of Madara. When Tobirama came back, he said that this time Orochimaru brought him back with his full power unlike the time Hiruzen defeated both the first and the second Hokage alone. Also, Minato is not fast, he teleports. It's completely different. Minato's reaction time is not as fast as Ay or any fast ninja, his body doesn't move so fast either.

Yep, without prep and kunais in the right spots he is fodder to Itachi and the other strong characters.




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On 2019-04-10 06:19:35Show All Posts
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  • Haotiq On 2019-04-10 05:59:59
  • Actually Edo Tensei ninjas are weaken than when they were alive. It`s true that they have an immortal body, well almost immortal, (Minato`s hands didn`t recovered when he got hit by the Truth Seeking Orb) and unlimited chakra but they are still weaker. Tobiramas didnt said he was at full power, he said that he was at nearly full power and we could see that when he created only 2 clones. I know he was holding the barrier but that moment showed us why they are weaker. Even if they have unlimited chakra their chakra tank is limited and they can`t use their jutsus at full power. Madara body was enhanced with Hashirama`s cells so he can awaken the rinnegan but even so he still was weaker. We can see that when Hashirama used Sage Art Gracious Deity Gates to block Madara`s movements, that time Madara was unable to move but when he came back to life he destroyed the jutsu in a second and while reviving he even said `Finally, i`ll be able to fight for real`.


    Now Minato. He is fast lol. He doesn`t necessary needs preps to fight and we can clearly see that when he fought Masked Man. Yes, when he was fighting with 4th he used his kunais to combat his speed and he succeded.

Well, depends what Minato you're talking about. In Kurama form he was faster obviously but the normal version relied too much on Kunais for "speed".

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On 2019-04-10 06:47:11Show All Posts
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  • Haotiq On 2019-04-10 06:26:01
  • Im talking about the normal form, when he was alive. And yes he was relying on kunais because the kunais had his formula on them. He could aswell get a *, put the formula on it, trow it and teleport. Also as 3rd raikage was relying on his hand to do his most powerful jutsu so was Minato and his kunais.

Yeah, I know. But for the Raikage at least it was his own body. Fact is Minato relies on external objects for his speed. At least, there's probably always a kunai with his formula lying around somewhere so he can get out of almost any situation.

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On 2019-04-10 23:05:19Show All Posts
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  • UchihaShay On 2019-04-10 22:58:05
  • you forgot to mention the time where sage kabuto just cut itachi in half outta frustration...

You forgot to mention Itachi could one shot him at any time with Totsuka Blade which cannot be dodged since it's some form of spirtual sake, and his speed is ranked 5/5 in the databooks, higher than Sasuke/Kakashi/Lee, who only have 4.5. Totsuka Blade can materialize just as fast as the Susanoo, since it's part of it. And Itachi did that while Kirin which is lightning was trying to reach him.

Also he didn't mean to kill him, because then they would be stuck with Edo Tensei units running around.

Kabuto is literal * compared to Itachi. He'd just destroy him in a second like he did with Orochimaru every time he met him. Orochimaru who supposedly has more tricks up his sleeve.

When he cut him I believe Izanami was already taking place, and Itachi knew nothing would happen to him if he got hurt, since he was Edo. He wanted to fini* quick so Sasuke wouldn't get hurt.




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On 2019-04-11 01:32:26Show All Posts
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  • S440-Genesis On 2019-04-11 01:22:48
  • "fourth raikage was able to easily dodge sasuke's amaterasu and proceeded to nearly blitz sasuke"

    that line made me laugh and for that i thank you

Yea and he lost his arm in the process and would of lost more if Gaara didn't intervene.

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