The reason why people like me complained about the 80 frags in a row in those wheels is that we had a legitimate doubt that those events could be deliberately rigged a priori by oasis.

What am i saying? That we had very deep reasons to think that challengers for top3 placements had exactly 0 chances to get a 15/20k ninja by spending less than 80k in those events and sometimes (and this was actually proved in a very old lucky stars wheel where the top rewards were naruto ninetails chakra frags) they concretely had 0 chances to get them.

People like me (and i suppose Garv too) thinks that if you are a top10/20 but not top3 may even happen once in a blue moon that you get lucky, but that when this extremely rare event happens it happens only and exclusively because oasis had some hopes the top10/20, as a consequence of that luck, would begin to trust more those events and so maybe would begin to spend massively in them in a hope to be able to reach the top3 thanks to some high luck.

We had and have reasons to believe that for top10/20 people in a server the kind of rng that actually low powers commonly experience in game do not exist for them and that for them everything is prerolled, preplanned and preset by oasis and that rng is actually implemented in those wheels only for who is not in top20. (substantially, people like me believe that may not be out of mind that we are not taking part at all in the same events low powers take part in and that they only looked alike graphically).

So why we asked for that change?

Because we wanted to be sure that we are playing the same game as the other people and we asked for 10 frags because with a reward with 1/150 chance to be won, by rolling in those events the usual 500 or 1000 times we roll in them, we could make statistics about those events good enough to basically be sure about the fact if are rigged or not (we roll 1000 times? We get 4-7 times the 10 frags? Then the event is 100% not rigged. We roll 1000 times, we never get once the 10 frags? Then nothing lure us in thinking the event is not rigged, so we never touch it again and surely we do not spend anymore a single ingot on it. The 80 fragments with 1/1200 chance prevented any chances we could have to make solid statistics about the rolls because the number of useful rolls we could do in average in those events would be too low in comparison with the supposed to be chance to get the top reward to let us taking for granted is or is not rigged).

We basically wanted solid data to evalue the events because oasis continued (and still continue) to not show us what are the chances to get something in an event (differently from how tencent does in China).

Why?

Because we do not trust oasis.

None wanted (at least not me) to prevent low powers from getting full ninjas. We wanted to avoid to be made fool by oasis (and there's nothing a mod may say about this matter that may make us change our mind about it, because, even if we may believe in their bona fide, we do not trust the bona fide of who told them the informations they tell us, because too many times the admins or devs (no idea who was) told them blatant lies).

oh so you guys decided to complain about an event that was actually rng and luck based for f2p because u didn't like them getting 80 frag ninjas? so what if u had 0 chances, at least some lower guys could've benefited off of it? + HOW DOES CHANGING IT TO 10 FRAGS NOW PROVIDE BENEFITS FOR ANY OF US? WHY EVEN COMPLAIN IF U DONT TRUST OASIS. IZ U OK.

do you see us complaining about p2w guys getting free stuff for recharging $$$? no we just ignore it

why should they get extra for topping up? <- makes no sense ik like how u guys complained abt lucky stars

u screwed up the one event where guys with lower powers placed their hopes and bets on and sometimes succeeded+ what gives you the right to hate on them because ur not getting em? lmao some of yall are dumb envious haters hope u receive bad luck forever for the rest of ur lives

next time complain about something that actually needs to be complained about like the tailed beat attack event

It is not against f2p (I'm f2p for the record), but 10 frags with 1/100 drop rate is better than 80 frags with 1/800 drop rate for most people who actually play the game and buy ninja, not those who log in once a month to spend coupons on wheels. This is what people asked about. But if Oasis decided to put 10 frags with the same 1/800 drop rate as the 80 frags from before is not the players' fault, it is the company.

Stop being salty look where it gets you, if someone's lucky and gets a 80 frag ninja in 200-400 coupons what's the problem? You can get lucky too you know.

Edit: I don't think it's because of your complaints though, he is super rare and there are still 20k+ coupon ninjas appearing with 80 frags in events. Super rares were always harder to get in events.

I can't agree with what you said.

I rather have 80 frags at a smaller drop rate than 10 frags at a better one. (FYI the drop rate on that madara is the same as the 80 frag ninjas that were in Lucky Stars).

10 frags are going to do the player NOTHING. (In the case of a GNW SR), if it was an event ninja, sure maybe. But just throw in 80 frags of a ninja there. It is better that way. Sides, you should only spin in lucky stars for the redeemables anyways. The 80 frag jackpot ninja was merely a bonus if you got it.

It seems you did not read what i wrote.

The problem is exactly that one.

Right now i have no reason to think the dice they give me is the same dice they give you.

As far as i know, on my dice, the face with 6 points is there only when they want it is while on yours it is there every time.

And if is not there how can i hope to win if, to win, i have to get a 6?

I have a lot of reasons to look at those wheels like i may see at a guy with a desk at a corner of a street that plays the game of the 3 cards with you as his (fully unaware) accomplisher and me as the guy ready to be fooled by him (he lets you win because he hopes i play and i lose all my money because i saw you winning once).

Lets say that the chance was 1/2000 for 80 frags, then is normal to think the chance for 10 frags of the same ninja is 1/250.

Lets say i roll 1000 times in lucky star wheel to buy naruto six paths or edo itachi.

How many times in average do i get the fragments if the event is not rigged?

4

So is normal that from that event i actually get 20-60 frags, not 10.

That's why what someoneee said makes a lot of sense.

I get 40 fragments there? Maybe another 10/15 somewhere else? Then i miss only 20/25 that i can buy with coupons if i think the ninja is worth it.

Even if we talked about a ninja that costs 200/250 coupons per fragment i am still able, even if i am f2p, to buy it next month if i only miss 20/25 fragments.

personally, I don't want to do the math on that, cause that would be 1/150 for 1, 1/150 for 2 and so on and so forth from 1000, 999, 998, etc. Which frankly is math I don't want to do since its just as bad if not worse than calculating the chance for opening with 5 pieces of exodia in yugioh (btw you have 1 in 658,008. chance in opening with it.

I still would rather have all 80 frags available to me for the jackpot ninja, than only 10 frags or 20 frags. (UNLESS its an event ninja) in which case, I'd tolerate it more cause you can farm those with ease compared to Madara Konoha Founder. But I still rather see 80 frags as I saw it as a bonus to what I was spinning for anyways.

Speaking of which, can we at least lower the drop rate for those Summon Scrolls? Like seriously....I get them more than stars when I want the * stars :L

Imho, in that event, summon scrolls, at this point, should be replaced by ability scrolls or advanced refinementsts/threads.

I definitely didn't mean 10 frags of super rare. That's just useless like you said. I don't like the current wheel either. What I want is an improvement of the previous wheel.

What kind of improvement you say?

You remember when we used to have 30 frags of a ninja in the lucky wheel? Like that time when we had kushina and 80 frags agk in it a few months ago? Nobody in my server got agk, but a few of them (players in top 10 even) managed to recruit kushina. So what I'm saying is that lucky star could have become similar. They should have lowered the amount of fragments and increased the drop rate, so that even if people only spent 2k-5k cps they would still have a good chance at getting something useful from the wheel.

But what oasis did was put 10 frags of a ninja we can't redeem and never changed the drop rate. This is not what me and other players asked for, not at all.

P.S. I know that people should only spend on the wheel for the redeemable, but let's be honest there are better events where you can get ninjas for roughly the same price and extra items. The 'extra items' in lucky star is the chance of getting a ninja, so while people should only spin for the redeemable, I believe that they should also be able to get the 'extra' frags since this is the only way the wheel is worth it.

So conclusion is, some players asked for a change that affects all players and ended up being prejudicial for everyone.

For those players who asked the change they didn't reach any conclusion, the events remain the same, only worst for the supposed players that had beneficial odds compared to these players.
They didn't reach any conclusion.This happens when paying costumers are dumb and instead of asking for rates on the events and transparency or they stop spending overall, they pressure another solution and try to go around wich amounts to NOTHING like it didn't.

Also stop spending in this event, and spend on others, you aren't voting with your wallet either nor gathering data, so Oasis isn't being forced to change anything anyway. Stop spending in this event also destroys all the reasoning for the change that was: we asked for this to get the odds while we spend.

For those who were lucky or had better odds, now they have nothing. 10 frags is useless at any point. Being f2p or low/medium cashers, or anyone really even Oasis can't bait players this way.

So everyone got prejudicated and no anwser was found.
Good job guys.

Actually they should be forced to show the rates in the events at least for EU and chinese laws (so for the hk and uk/de/fr/it/es/pt/pl servers at least for sure). Why they do like if they couldn't care less about this is out of my comprehension.

P.S. Personally i asked specifically for 10 fragments of the same ninja with an 8 times higher chance to drop or to leave the things as they were. The feedbacks were quite clear about this.

B-b-but they listen to feedback! I asked them specifically to remove kid kakashi from great plates and they did. Together with the whole event, kappa.

On a serious note you werent the only one who suggested such change in exactly the same words. Decrease ammount of frags X time, but increase chances to pull it by X times. Statistically we end up with the same result, but it makes less prople angry. I've been suggesting this change several times in google feedback, as well as GL from my server in his reports. Selective hearing at its finest.

doe sedo hasirama fragments count as rare?

When we had GNW Ino the 2nd time for Sign-In...blame me

Also I asked a few times for Sage Naruto to pop up in events, they put his price at 45 coupons a frag the week I had 0 coupons :x

No, they do not. They go with their specific counter not linked in any ways to the rare counter.

Yep.

It's exactly what happened.

Selective hear.

At least now you can redeem his fragments at 750 group currencies up to 3 per day and get his quite nice skillbreaktroughs... Ah no, wait... We have six paths, ramen and suit version but STILL he has no breakthroughs!

I'm already sitting at 170 frags or so with him at 4 star

I spent so much coupons on him back during 2.0 when they were giving him to us like candy. Then they stopped around the time Jonin Minato came around, barely 4 star mine. (Bought 160 frags worth with coupons)

God, I hope that he does come out soon, I don't want it to be like Itachi's where I had over 400 frags and him at 5 star for over 10 months...

Wait a minute, you get a 3 a day? I only get 2 >:L