i never recall certain ninjas have a threshold on power to make them even remotely viable per say, sure you can say the more power the better, but isnt that with every pos1 ninja nowadays, unless ur splitting power with all 4 members of ur team?

this game never ever made for F2P tbh , i'm a F2P , but i know if they put " Layers System " the high class will be better always , also to be fair, for this why they put the " RNG" System, also it's easily to get the " P2W " ninjas if you " Save " your coupons for two months , and spend them when the " P2W " ninja become cheaper .

then tell me , let's say , you're in battle with someone have 50k with edo 3rd is a pos1 " he use the classic team of edo 3rd " , and you have power more than him like 40k or 50k , does this mean he will win because he one shot you in first round ? , also power is not everthing , tbh , i beat ppl who was stronger than me, but they use stupiid teams because they think if i have power i c@n use any ninja Because i have very high power , i have to tell you one thing " this sooo wrong " , power without good ninjas is nothing , same with ninjas without power is also useless. and thank you .

Considering normal hiruzen still costs 12k...

Their idea of making ninjas cheaper over time is quite weird...

(fyi, hiruzen 3rd hokage was never in the meta and in 1.0 costed 20k. If a ninja that has never been in the meta just gets a 40% discount after two years how long do you think you have to wait for some other ninjas?)

If you own 100k more power than your enemy you can easily run the very basic team 7 with water main and give to your enemy whatever op ninja he wants. You will win.

Why? Because he will control fail every time, he will hit you very low, he will never crit on you while every single attack you will land on him will be a critical hit.

who talk about normal Hiruzen . also look to Jonin Minato when they add him first time he was like 17k , now look how much , he now like 7k-10k .

Because he isn't a really good ninja overall that doesn't let you win if you have lower initiative, that scales low and that is very easy to counter.

The 16k starting price, infact, was inflationated because people were hyped for him and never reflected his real value.

The only ninja that got a significative price reduction in a very limited time was shisui, but just because it messes up arena so they wanted him to be common to be able to sold at higher prices kisame samehada and madara 5th kage summit.

Same with edo hiruzen , so you got it now , but Hey , Jonin Minato still so good .

No, edo hiruzen price won't ever go under 16k due to his usefulness in world boss battle and 2vs2/3vs3.

About jonin minato yes he is good but not worth more than 8k coupons. A simple paralysis shut him down almost completely and when i say he stacks slowly i literally mean that with the same exact gear hokage minato, that on paper has the same passive boost, in round 5 lands literally twice the damage jonin lands (if you are able to get the same amount of stacks from the buff).

then tell me , let's say , you're in battle with someone have 50k with edo 3rd is a pos1 " he use the classic team of edo 3rd " , and you have power more than him like 40k or 50k , does this mean he will win because he one shot you in first round ? , also power is not everthing , tbh , i beat ppl who was stronger than me, but they use stupiid teams because they think if i have power i c@n use any ninja Because i have very high power , i have to tell you one thing " this sooo wrong " , power without good ninjas is nothing , same with ninjas without power is also useless. and thank you .

correct, you could even run a troll team, for that matter, if u have the "right" power, not just numbers to show, you will always win against someone with a power difference way below yours, reason why, cuz there's many factors contributing to this, such as control, ini, nin, tai, all these stats, play a roll mind you, especially control stat, plays a huge part in pvp, if you wanna control a fight with chaos teams you can, that's where theorycrafting comes into play, and im not gonna down in numbers, i'll let the people who know better than i do, crunching down numbers and show you, that the stat i mention, is why you are sometimes able to beat higher power.

I assume the op is still new to the game by the post count and replies, so im going to answer to you in a very simple way... focus on power, not ninjas, in the grand scheme of things, you're not gonna win if you have 100+ ninjas but power, i've beaten people with edo hiruzen and agk teams. Dont worry about them, piece them together when u can.

Don't ever follow this advice.

If all you have is power, but you have no good ninjas, that power is useless.

Don't ever follow this advice.

If all you have is power, but you have no good ninjas, that power is useless.

correct, you could even run a troll team, for that matter, if u have the "right" power, not just numbers to show, you will always win against someone with a power difference way below yours, reason why, cuz there's many factors contributing to this, such as control, ini, nin, tai, all these stats, play a roll mind you, especially control stat, plays a huge part in pvp, if you wanna control a fight with chaos teams you can, that's where theorycrafting comes into play, and im not gonna down in numbers, i'll let the people who know better than i do, crunching down numbers and show you, that the stat i mention, is why you are sometimes able to beat higher power.

i think his point is , using edo 3rd as pos1 is bad if you don't have a good power like over 195k , because if you don't kill your enemy in round 1 you're dead. and hope you got it ^^ .

and again his point is wrong, cuz i can still lose in round 2, his point is made without variables, without anything to compared, it's mainly focused on what variable? same power, low power vs higher power? the only time i've been 1 shot by edo hiruzen was from people almost at 300k power, even below that i still lose, but never got 1 shot by them or even close to 200k, and i still lose, overall, if you can output alot of dmg in round 1, my chances of winning are low now, cuz my ninjas are half dead in round 2 especially if ur edo hiruzen is faster than my pos1 , btw, edo hiruzen shines where there's a lot of ninjas to target, meaning he's good for gnw and mainly 3v3 arenas, the less ninjas there's in the field, the less dmg output he does.