the main issue with edo hiruzen is, if your slower than ur opponent, yes, it makes it hard to even get something from him, cuz the minute i see one, the person better hope my pos1 isnt faster than his pos1, cuz im going to cc his hiruzen, most teams either gonna use same combo, asuma wb, earth main, shisui and edo hiruzen, or same combo but with edo sasori, it's the same thing, but one got a more controlled and panic *on ready to be used in case edo hiruzen gets chaos'ed, immobilized.
TLDR; Edo Hiruzen to be effective you need alot of ini to even put a dent on the enemy team(u need to be on top 5 or top 3).
cuz i only need 10 frags for him
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