I assume the op is still new to the game by the post count and replies, so im going to answer to you in a very simple way... focus on power, not ninjas, in the grand scheme of things, you're not gonna win if you have 100+ ninjas but power, i've beaten people with edo hiruzen and agk teams. Dont worry about them, piece them together when u can.

i never recall certain ninjas have a threshold on power to make them even remotely viable per say, sure you can say the more power the better, but isnt that with every pos1 ninja nowadays, unless ur splitting power with all 4 members of ur team?

the main issue with edo hiruzen is, if your slower than ur opponent, yes, it makes it hard to even get something from him, cuz the minute i see one, the person better hope my pos1 isnt faster than his pos1, cuz im going to cc his hiruzen, most teams either gonna use same combo, asuma wb, earth main, shisui and edo hiruzen, or same combo but with edo sasori, it's the same thing, but one got a more controlled and panic *on ready to be used in case edo hiruzen gets chaos'ed, immobilized.

TLDR; Edo Hiruzen to be effective you need alot of ini to even put a dent on the enemy team(u need to be on top 5 or top 3).

correct, you could even run a troll team, for that matter, if u have the "right" power, not just numbers to show, you will always win against someone with a power difference way below yours, reason why, cuz there's many factors contributing to this, such as control, ini, nin, tai, all these stats, play a roll mind you, especially control stat, plays a huge part in pvp, if you wanna control a fight with chaos teams you can, that's where theorycrafting comes into play, and im not gonna down in numbers, i'll let the people who know better than i do, crunching down numbers and show you, that the stat i mention, is why you are sometimes able to beat higher power.

what can i say everyone's experience is different...i guess for me it was easier, cuz i knew where to focus my power on, and what kind of playstyle i wanted. this convo is more in-depth one, than a simple one.

and again his point is wrong, cuz i can still lose in round 2, his point is made without variables, without anything to compared, it's mainly focused on what variable? same power, low power vs higher power? the only time i've been 1 shot by edo hiruzen was from people almost at 300k power, even below that i still lose, but never got 1 shot by them or even close to 200k, and i still lose, overall, if you can output alot of dmg in round 1, my chances of winning are low now, cuz my ninjas are half dead in round 2 especially if ur edo hiruzen is faster than my pos1 , btw, edo hiruzen shines where there's a lot of ninjas to target, meaning he's good for gnw and mainly 3v3 arenas, the less ninjas there's in the field, the less dmg output he does.

my power is around 161k it's not much, but usually if i can control the flow of a fight usually goes a win for me, but if not, usually i lose.