think that it causes more damage like resistince es vs nin so p3n3tr4t10n causes it to ingore some resistince i gues :v

Nin pentration and Tai *ion are currently useless, damage reduction though has shown that it does indeed reduce damage though its not an insane amount of damage reduction

Source:

Tai/Nin: https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-32622-1.html

Dmg Reduction: https://forum-narutoen.oasgames.com/page/show-post-32644-1.html

Life recovery is the amount of life your character get at the end of the round even if they are not healer.

What actually p3netrations do is to let you ignore the eventual exceeding part of defense and resistance the enemy own.

They basically come in play ONLY if you are facing somebody with higher resistance or defense than your ninjutsu/attack.

In the tests ICEx and Garv made ICEx had always more tai/nin than Garv's def/res so the p3netrations didn't come in play.

Let me be clearer.

If you own 20000 attack and you meet somebody with 10,12,15,16,18k defense the effect of tai pen is 0.

If you own 10000 attack and 2000 tai pen and you meet somebody with 15000 defense then the exceeding defense part in comparison with your attack (5000) gets reduced by 2000, so for you is like if your enemy had only 13000 defense.

In real gameplay, basically, those effects come in play only when you face ninjas that give to themselves or to other boosts to def/res (like roshi, edo hiruzen, jinpachi, minato hokage) or only for eventual underpowered move 3/4 ninjas in comparison with move 1 that hit an overstacked move 1 ninja of your enemy.

It has been repeatedly proved in our version that tai nin pen do not increase damage dealt. Ergo they are useless. Whether this is because the effect is small in practice or because of a bug does not matter.

Tai/nin pen is a stat that you should ignore. Interestingly tai/nin pen is also ignored in China so there are no indications that these stats will ever have an influence in the game.

Hi! Tai/Nin P3netration does in fact have an effect. However, this is highly dependent on you and your opponents stats.

The reason is because Taijutsu Pen is the Taijutsu damage that ignores defense. While Ninjutsu Pen is the Ninjutsu damage that ignores resistance. Keep in mind that this value is also affected by the Damage Reduction stat.

What this means is that, you will sometimes face opponent where your Tai/Nin P3netration will do exceptionally well with and there will be times where it wont work as well.

Due to the fact that it is highly dependent on you and your opponent, it is the reason why not everyone takes or uses the stat. However, it does indeed have an effect.

I'm a bit confused with what you said Jib

Tai that ignores Defense and Nin that ignores Resistance? Could you explain a bit more details?

Thanks!

Basically, your Ninjutsu damage on an opponent's ninja is dependent on your Ninjutsu and Ninjutsu Pen, as well as your opponent's Resistance and Damage Reduction.

Think of Resistance and Damage reduction as a wall that stops a lot of your damage from coming in. The thicker the wall, the less damage you are going to do to your opponent. Ninjutsu Pen allows you to bypass part of the wall to damage your opponent. Subsequently, if your opponent has no resistance, then Ninjutsu Pen would not do anything because there is no wall to bypass.

This is the same for Taijutsu damage. However, for Taijutsu damage, it is dependent on Taijutsu and Taijutsu Pen, as well as your opponent's Defense and Damage Reduction.

Hope this helps!

Still confused Jib.

How Ninjutsu and Ninjutsu Pen (same with TAI), works together? In a same manner how Res and Damage Reduction works together? Will they overlap each other or what?

You can test it quite easily that it works as i said.

Put a 13k resistance lightning main with RoW in front of a Water main with less than 20k ninjutsu and use shark bomb on it.

Only use a water main alone and do not use water enhancement or nature energy gathering.

Try it with and without ninjutsu *ion (adding or removing one gold or red inner gates runes is enough).

You will see how big the difference is in the average damage you land.

The general problem is that the average nin/atk you own is higher than the average def/res the enemy owns and the buffs to atk/nin are way bigger than the buffs to def/res.

On comparable power the *ions almost never come in effect.

An example?

Lets say you run the common shisui madara itachi anbu lightning main lineup and your enemy runs the common edo hiruzen, sasori edo tensei, shisui lineup.

On par power, generally, if the enemy hiruzen owns 20k ninjutsu your shisui is around 14k resistance.

But with the buffs in play your shisui goes to 28k resistance, but your enemy hiruzen hits 48k ninjutsu. You wouldn't see ninjutsu *ion coming in place neither if there was only hiruzen buff alone in effect, but you wiould see it if for any reason he didn't use mystery in round 1, you chaos him (removing so all his buffs), sasori uses mystery to remove chaos and you use hirzuen mystery. Hiruzen now would be at 20k ninjutsu for real and in this case his *ion would apply, reducing your resistance according, down to, at most, 20k.

Basically, Resistance and Damage Reduction for your opponent has the ability to reduce your Ninjutsu damage. Nin Pen allows you to overcome some of that reduction. The same is true for Defense and Damage Reduction for your opponent and its ability to reduce your Taijutsu damage. While Tai Pen allows you to overcome some of that reduction.

Keep in mind that depending on the situation, the amount that Pen can be more or less. Sometimes the effect can be enough to justify using the stat, while at times it does not feel the case. This again will be dependent on you and your opponent's stat.

This has also been tested by the Naruto Online team at CN and proven to be true.