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On 2018-11-22 18:10:35Show All Posts
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What actually p3netrations do is to let you ignore the eventual exceeding part of defense and resistance the enemy own.

They basically come in play ONLY if you are facing somebody with higher resistance or defense than your ninjutsu/attack.

In the tests ICEx and Garv made ICEx had always more tai/nin than Garv's def/res so the p3netrations didn't come in play.


Let me be clearer.


If you own 20000 attack and you meet somebody with 10,12,15,16,18k defense the effect of tai pen is 0.

If you own 10000 attack and 2000 tai pen and you meet somebody with 15000 defense then the exceeding defense part in comparison with your attack (5000) gets reduced by 2000, so for you is like if your enemy had only 13000 defense.


In real gameplay, basically, those effects come in play only when you face ninjas that give to themselves or to other boosts to def/res (like roshi, edo hiruzen, jinpachi, minato hokage) or only for eventual underpowered move 3/4 ninjas in comparison with move 1 that hit an overstacked move 1 ninja of your enemy.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2018-11-22 18:17:31.
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On 2018-11-23 17:57:00Show All Posts
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  • Armand_ On 2018-11-22 18:44:06
  • It has been repeatedly proved in our version that tai nin pen do not increase damage dealt. Ergo they are useless. Whether this is because the effect is small in practice or because of a bug does not matter.


    Tai/nin pen is a stat that you should ignore. Interestingly tai/nin pen is also ignored in China so there are no indications that these stats will ever have an influence in the game.

You can test it quite easily that it works as i said.


Put a 13k resistance lightning main with RoW in front of a Water main with less than 20k ninjutsu and use shark bomb on it.

Only use a water main alone and do not use water enhancement or nature energy gathering.

Try it with and without ninjutsu *ion (adding or removing one gold or red inner gates runes is enough).

You will see how big the difference is in the average damage you land.


The general problem is that the average nin/atk you own is higher than the average def/res the enemy owns and the buffs to atk/nin are way bigger than the buffs to def/res.

On comparable power the *ions almost never come in effect.

An example?

Lets say you run the common shisui madara itachi anbu lightning main lineup and your enemy runs the common edo hiruzen, sasori edo tensei, shisui lineup.

On par power, generally, if the enemy hiruzen owns 20k ninjutsu your shisui is around 14k resistance.

But with the buffs in play your shisui goes to 28k resistance, but your enemy hiruzen hits 48k ninjutsu. You wouldn't see ninjutsu *ion coming in place neither if there was only hiruzen buff alone in effect, but you wiould see it if for any reason he didn't use mystery in round 1, you chaos him (removing so all his buffs), sasori uses mystery to remove chaos and you use hirzuen mystery. Hiruzen now would be at 20k ninjutsu for real and in this case his *ion would apply, reducing your resistance according, down to, at most, 20k.




This post was last edited by Scarlettblue on 2018-11-23 18:13:10.
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