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On 2018-10-26 19:40:51Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Hey community DO you really want to see Kakuzu Online{and by kakuzu online i mean "PERFECTLY SKILL-BROKEN" grudge mode } i need your thought, he is coming soon i can feel it....Critical Thinking is required....Thank you

Ps if we can get only the support skills and not the damage ones then its okay


I felt triggered watching this video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LowE-5-cS34




This post was last edited by S440-Genesis on 2018-10-26 19:40:51.
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On 2018-10-26 19:41:34Show this Author Only
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I remember seeing Tobei state his opinion that we probably won't get Kakuzu Earth Grudge Skillbreaks.

Honestly, I hope we never do.

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On 2018-10-26 19:42:30Show this Author Only
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  • RenjiAsuka On 2018-10-26 19:41:34
  • I remember seeing Tobei state his opinion that we probably won't get Kakuzu Earth Grudge Skillbreaks.

    Honestly, I hope we never do.

YEah i hope so to, after watching him i believe he can actually break the game

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On 2018-10-26 20:05:24Show this Author Only
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He'll get breakthrough at 5 star ninja and each book will cost 200 frags. Wait for it.

But seriously speaking, I hope we never get him... but since Oasis could earn massive cash from his breakthrough, so...

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On 2018-10-26 20:09:45Show this Author Only
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hm, that amber shows vids of prob the biggest whale in naruto so can't really compare, unless ur willing to spend a fortune on the game..

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On 2018-10-26 20:18:12Show this Author Only
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  • SomeoneRandom On 2018-10-26 20:05:24
  • He'll get breakthrough at 5 star ninja and each book will cost 200 frags. Wait for it.

    But seriously speaking, I hope we never get him... but since Oasis could earn massive cash from his breakthrough, so...

then we are ........

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On 2018-10-26 20:27:25Show this Author Only
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5 stars 200 frags per book would not be that bad I think. Think about it. Don't the people who can afford THAT crush the people who cannot afford it anyways? I hope he does not come, or not without a valid counter.

They have proven that they don't integrate everything in the game available in other regions (e.g.: the % tactics).

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On 2018-10-26 20:52:01Show this Author Only
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  • Pupsiiiii On 2018-10-26 20:27:25
  • 5 stars 200 frags per book would not be that bad I think. Think about it. Don't the people who can afford THAT crush the people who cannot afford it anyways? I hope he does not come, or not without a valid counter.

    They have proven that they don't integrate everything in the game available in other regions (e.g.: the % tactics).

that seems okay even some whales cant afford that. Only Megalodon's can afford that

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On 2018-10-26 21:59:52Show this Author Only
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  • Pupsiiiii On 2018-10-26 20:27:25
  • 5 stars 200 frags per book would not be that bad I think. Think about it. Don't the people who can afford THAT crush the people who cannot afford it anyways? I hope he does not come, or not without a valid counter.

    They have proven that they don't integrate everything in the game available in other regions (e.g.: the % tactics).

True true. It will be a win win situation for Oasis. Not break the game and earn tons at the same time

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On 2018-10-26 22:25:33Show this Author Only
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he's not the right source to find out about meta teams tbh, and he's a bit biased when it comes to making teams to trying to prove whatever he's trying to prove, i seen some of his videos, and i must admit, some of the teams he compares are complete dog* when it comes to equal grounds, yes Kakuzu Earth Grudge mode is powerful, but remember build a team around that fact and the small factors that decide if you gonna hit hard or like a wet noddle, and from what i saw you either going to throw alot of coupons or money towards a ninja u gonna depend on the first 2 rounds or your done.


Now about the video, he's pretty much telling us, any meta teams around madara 5k or minatos are done vs whales, true, like i said in the statement above, but i can see even the low spenders trying to build this team, and being dissapointed. So do me a favor, find someone else to watch, someone more informative and educated.

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On 2018-10-26 23:06:00Show this Author Only
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  • UchihaShay On 2018-10-26 22:25:33
  • he's not the right source to find out about meta teams tbh, and he's a bit biased when it comes to making teams to trying to prove whatever he's trying to prove, i seen some of his videos, and i must admit, some of the teams he compares are complete dog* when it comes to equal grounds, yes Kakuzu Earth Grudge mode is powerful, but remember build a team around that fact and the small factors that decide if you gonna hit hard or like a wet noddle, and from what i saw you either going to throw alot of coupons or money towards a ninja u gonna depend on the first 2 rounds or your done.


    Now about the video, he's pretty much telling us, any meta teams around madara 5k or minatos are done vs whales, true, like i said in the statement above, but i can see even the low spenders trying to build this team, and being dissapointed. So do me a favor, find someone else to watch, someone more informative and educated.

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On 2018-10-26 23:17:47Show this Author Only
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In all honesty the only passive that should be removed from our version is Passive 3: chakra scaling on super armor. Without 100% att/nin and 250% bonus defense he isnt broken anymore. Strong, indeed, but not broken like on CN. I dont see a reason why he shouldnt get books, +auto for akatsuki along with heal and debuff clear (which he currently offers) opens up a lot of teams. And dont forget pretty much nobody is using him right now, which perfectly points out why he needs those books to even be considered an option.




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On 2018-10-27 01:44:55Show this Author Only
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On 2018-10-27 01:50:22Show this Author Only
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Every ninja got a counter...for kakuze, it is rinnegan sasuke. Asking to nerft ninjas based on one video is not really logical....current cancer meta can win someone over 30k-50k easily. 50k + power gap can win most ninjas so no need to nerf ;assuming,better pos1&2.

Also ,asking to nerf event only ninja skill breaks mean more spenders quitting ;same could be said about making their skill breaks requiring 500-700+ frags. People are fuming over hinata and hanzo breaks requiring 4 star, so you could imagine.






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On 2018-10-27 02:31:02Show this Author Only
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Buffing kakuzu was a mistake

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On 2018-10-27 03:15:48Show this Author Only
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On 2018-10-27 04:02:01Show this Author Only
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  • Sphere On 2018-10-27 02:31:02
  • Buffing kakuzu was a mistake

indeed they tried nerfing him but didnt work out so well so they introduced edo itachi




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On 2018-10-27 04:07:50Show this Author Only
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  • Sphere On 2018-10-27 02:31:02
  • Buffing kakuzu was a mistake

He did need a buff but the type of buff is what should be looked at. I mean do you see people using him on our server? Not that much.

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On 2018-10-27 04:14:18Show this Author Only
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  • Danzō On 2018-10-27 04:07:50
  • He did need a buff but the type of buff is what should be looked at. I mean do you see people using him on our server? Not that much.

oh it's going to be used more and more, especially with AGK, literally everyone that has him, will at least try to make that happen, now here's the thing i dont and will never understand about these people, just because u saw someone using a super op ninja, doesnt mean it will work for you, and im talking about the specific video that was posted, the guy is known to be a heavy spender, or a heavy hoarder of the coupons, either way, his kakuzu was super powerful, my point is, if you spend 1k a month or week doesnt matter, you still going to overpower the guy who doesnt spend at all. having a bazillion super rares all pumped of magas, runes and refines doesnt matter, what matters at the end of the day is how much power / money you invested in that account.

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On 2018-10-27 06:34:12Show this Author Only
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  • UchihaShay On 2018-10-27 04:14:18
  • oh it's going to be used more and more, especially with AGK, literally everyone that has him, will at least try to make that happen, now here's the thing i dont and will never understand about these people, just because u saw someone using a super op ninja, doesnt mean it will work for you, and im talking about the specific video that was posted, the guy is known to be a heavy spender, or a heavy hoarder of the coupons, either way, his kakuzu was super powerful, my point is, if you spend 1k a month or week doesnt matter, you still going to overpower the guy who doesnt spend at all. having a bazillion super rares all pumped of magas, runes and refines doesnt matter, what matters at the end of the day is how much power / money you invested in that account.

Lets talk about edo hiruzen, since he falls into the same category: someone higher power than you 1shots you. Thats understandable. But when during bonds people with 15-20% less battle power (me- 2x 180k vs 2x150k) pretty much wipes the field clean, there is an issue. Same thing applies to kakuzu post skillbooks. People without him start losing, what my hiruzen example says, thats all.


The difference is kakuzu right now is unplayable (unless you are so stacked you can 1shot with konohamaru corps, ergo doesnt matter what lineup you actually use). AGK example is a bad one. On my server half of the top ranking people have angel konan, some of them kakuzu and kakuzu is NEVER used in competitive team, because right now hes bad. Maybe not danzo izanagi level bad, but propably 1 tier above him. He needs those buffs, but not buffs like making his total dmg 2x higher on top of other buffs. Every skillbook except chakra passive adds something:


- mystery- 10% more nin buff, but you still need to actually kill something OR spammable interrupt with low dmg when at 50+ chakra // 1st requires thinking to make him scale while second good timing with interrupts. Mystery on its own doesnt deal that much damage.
- standard- you hit 4 people, thats actually 33% dmg increase. // cool, because right now he doesnt deal much dmg.
-1 passive- you hit 4 people and ignite them (again, 33% dmg increase because of 1 more target + ignite) OR 3 people hit + paralysis // sasuke got same buffs, did hitting 1 more person make him op? No.

-2passive- +1 auto to akatsuki on top of current heal + debuff clear //finally supportive part of kakuzu that does something better than regular healer.

-3passive- +2% att/nin and 5% def for each chakra over 50 (100att/100nin/250def buff in total at 100 chakra) OR revive. // hint, nobody is using revive because dmg part is broken.


Kakuzu with books vs kakuzu without books:

As you can see, 3rd passive is where things get ugly, since he gets twice as much damage (stacked with changes to standard and chase that actually means dealing 266% more damage than current EGF kakuzu does). Together with x2 auto passive, suddenly CN kakuzu with standard attacks just dealt 532% more damage than kakuzu without books. Then comes chase, which deals 266% more damage than current one. In total, CN kakuzu dealt over 5x more damage with autos and 2.5x more dmg with chase than regular one. This is why he is broken, and thats only because of 3rd passive scaling. On top of those over the top damage buffs, he has 250% buff to defense...

to sum it up:

2x auto damage= 2*133*2=532% vs 100

chase damage= 133*2=266% vs 100


Kakuzu without 3rd passive vs kakuzu without books at all:

2x auto= 2x133=266% vs 100%

chase= 133% vs 100%


Personally, whatever happens to him I want #2 passive to be allowed to upgrade. Additional standard on akatsuki ninjas is something this ninja really needs and might allow some akatsuki teams to be at least playable for fun.




This post was last edited by Zathroth on 2018-10-27 06:39:41.
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