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On 2018-07-12 17:52:47Show All Posts
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On 2018-07-13 16:44:59Show All Posts
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  • Shadoblaze On 2018-07-13 10:15:16
  • Uniting with one argument would be great, problem is that's not happening. If we could make polls and get people to vote to show support for an idea that would be great. Hell, if you want to take the initiative, create a google form doc to poll players about what they would like to have done, post the link on the forums and when you get a few thousand responses send the results to the mods in the suggestion section.


    If that happens then maybe we can convince them to change, but a dozen people on the forum asking for 1 thing wont change their minds ever, and right now we aren't even doing that, we are arguing 50 different things. So far no-one has taken the reigns and done anything though, we are either too lazy or don't care enough, until that changes oasis won't change.

The problem is that making our own polls is, de facto, forbidden by the forum rules because entice drama because is impossible to avoid the drama in those matters and last time they made a public poll they wholly disattend the outcome of it (do you remember we asked for x-server swb to never happen, true?) and after that moment they altogether removed that section of the forum.




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On 2018-07-13 17:17:45Show All Posts
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  • Daiske On 2018-07-13 14:33:48
  • I have mentioned it few times. Missing content from version 3.0 was pushed back/cancelled due to serious technical problems that needed required amount of time to create fix, then testing and it could delay version 4.0 for months. We (publishers and developers) have chosen the lesser evil. Now, since it had to be delayed with no ETA or set date because at that point no one knew WHEN and IF missing features will be added. With that being said, all missing features and content from version 3.0 are delayed until further notice. You might ask "Wait, does that mean we might not get them at all?" Absolutely, its an option (not final decision). Company reserves right to change in-game content. Right now it is up to developers to decide if missing content from version 3.0 should be added or not and if yes when. And I know, you might say "But you have promised us to add such features. We demand it right now and right here." It was listed as one of the features that were supposed to be added during version 3.0. However, nothing is promised and we always ask you to strictly focus only on our version. In very very rare occasions, content might be different from other versions and especially mother version due to version differences. CN works on very different system th*.


    As for Ultimate Training and update to it - I don't recall it being promised or even mentioned somewhere. We are aware you would like to see new levels to Ultimate Training but at the moment there is no plan to update Ultimate training. We are currently focusing on other features and updates we would like to deliver to you.


    Just because I do not reply to some comments or threads does not mean no one reads them. Other moderators always inform me and rest of the team if there is something really special or something they see you mention a lot. Plus, everything I see and I find reasonable and normal I always note and discuss with the rest of the team. What you need to understand is that changes and updates are not made overnight and it takes time. *, yea I know but there is nothing I can do about it. I see a lot of comments discussing what is the relationship between Oasis and Tencent. Honestly? That is something you guys really should not worry about. Sometimes you would like to talk about things that we can't talk about with you due to it being confidential information or simply not public information. I do not think it is necessary for you to know all inside information to be able to enjoy the game. It is probably that you are interested in it. So I am not going to comment or answer comments regarding Oasis and its relationship with Tencent.


    Regarding update schedule:

    Why we do not share it with you? For very simple reason - because we do not want to. First of all, it would ruin the surprise factor for you if you knew what is coming and when it is coming. Next reason could be that it is considered as confidential information and I really do not know any company that shares its schedule with its community. If there is such company, props to them.

    If we were to share such thing with you, it is a huge risk we just don't want to take. There is a lot of changes and updates to our schedules that can happen anytime. So just imagine we release schedule that says version 5.0 will be released this year during September. BUT, 1 week before release of version 5.0, during last and final testing we discover serious bug that should not and will not be implemented to live servers. And what does it mean? Version 5.0 is going to be delayed. There would be a lot of negative and angry comments and discussions about it. Or for example we would make change to our schedule and you would would require us to explain the change or you will not like the change. There is a lot of factors, a lot of negative factors that will cause more problems than good if we were to do such thing. Take missing features from version 3.0 and real and live example and that is something we do not want to happen again.


    Hope this clears all of the confusion.

What you do not seem to understand, maybe because you are part of the team, is that WE HAVE NO WAYS TO KNOW IF WHAT WE ASK FOR HAVE AN IMPACT OR NOT, we have no ways to know if actually happened that you really changed your plans because we asked for it and not because you decided to do it fully by yourself and would be happened the same even if none talked. We have no ways to know if you really do debugging and heavy testing on special servers or not because you do not show, not even after a feature is implemented, nor the logs of the testing servers nor the schedule of what you actually did.

As far as we know all our suggestions, requests and complaints are just smoke and screen added to let us think they matter and we have a voice in chapter(like chinese elections for the parliament) when is not true and there is nothing you can say to proof us is not so if you do not actually give us real tangible proofs that is so.

On the other hand what we know for sure is that the schedule we actually got implemented is extremely more p2w oriented than the original chinese version and we have to actually spend coupons or ingots to get everything (very often in higher quantities than the original version). Treasure tools are implemented since 4 months and still we never got a single event where is possible to redeem ability scrolls without using coupons or ingots, eight inner gates runes shops and the other common shops are never updated, you did not do anything to give us a way to reforge our old ninja tools after we got the nerf of sword of totsuka, paper shuriken and the other old gold tool (i forgot the name) with 4.0 implementation so all the people that had used their ninja tool essences on them got no way to reforge them because you are not adding ninja tool essences as common drop in TIs and other events and you do not seem to have any inclination to add kage TI, reaching even rank 7 BA is impossible without spending coupons or ingots and the number of skillbreaktrough currently available is excessively low to actually give a chance to f2p to have second hand options to replace 20k+ coupons worth ninjas they will never get without sacrificing unbearable amounts of power that leaves them with no hopes to be competitive even with f2p from older servers. That's what we see implemented in game while we have 0 reason to think you really hear to us if not your 'word'.




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On 2018-07-17 16:45:30Show All Posts
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  • Shadoblaze On 2018-07-17 04:43:46
  • my swb has 2 brackets, one has 12-13 people per land so 36-39 people total the other has about 22-26 people per land.


    the 36 person total swb is boring since us strong people just farm the weaker people till they get knocked out and get 0 rewards, but we don't have much of a choice since we want to get 1st on our lands and for most of us its a risk to fight each other so we dont risk it until there are no weak people left, ive seen it go down to 5 people on a land still able to get rewards, so i don't know how thats fair.

    the 66 person swb we at least have more options to attack so most people have a chance of getting a win here and there so they wont get knocked out and lose their possibility of rewards.


    trust me no1 enjoys the 36 person swb more. not us strong people or the weak people. if they made xswb a 2ndary option like you sugested i would have voted for that as well, but right now my server can start a swb on its own so i would rather the weaker people on my server get more rewards instead of splitting them with other servers.



    @Zathroth - a lot of people on my server stopped doing the event because they just get farmed by people they have no chance against, which leads to the problem of those 50% u said didnt care not using the event and then the remaining 50% get split because there arent enough people to fight and so we farm the bottom remaining 50% until they get knocked out which then repeats the cycle.


    i personaly got helped from xswb since i can win the team point rewards more often since i can get a decent 2nd strongest on my land now where b4 i was the strongest and got the 6th strongest as my lands 2nd best(aka me vs every1 else and they farmed my whole land besides me), but most of m server was hurt by it and is still being hurt.

If in your server bracket there are two battlefields only and one has 36 people while the other has 66 then the feature is not working at all as they told us it should have worked in distributing the people, because if worked as they claimed when they showed us the x-server feature then you should have two fields with 51 people each one, the simple fact this does not happen means the way people is selected to go in a field IS NOT THE WAY THEY TOLD US.

Anyways no, you are wrong. The issue you talk about would exist only in your field that is the top level 100 field, all the other fields would not experience that issue at all and still your field is experiencing that situation because the 19th-36th strongest person in your bracket, evidently, is not strong enough to be able to let you reach round 5+, thing that is more or less true only in your specifoc bracket and region and what you are not considering is the fact that right now the number of people that in a 90 field do not get any rewards is 60, in a 36 field is 6. If you are the 40-60th strongest in a bracket is the difference between getting 0 advanced refinements and getting 3-4 per time. The difference is huge.

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  • Empheezie On 2018-07-17 05:37:09
  • 8gatelies(1)

    I'm still confused about the redeemable red runes in 8 gates. Daiske said that there was a "serious technical issue" with it that caused them to postpone the feature indefinitely but Tobei is saying its unavailable as the developer's choice.


There is no technical issue, the runes are right now there, they simply flagged them to be hidden, if they remove the flag, i repeat myself, they are right now there available. They simply do not want we get them.

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  • fallingsky On 2018-07-17 06:59:28
  • TLDR and all the good ****


    I just want to say that this is still a game. My definition of game= something that is fun...

    wait... did you hear that?... FUN

    What is this? A GAME! And what is my definition of a game? FUN

    Don't get me wrong, I totally get the competitive part to. And the business aspect of it. But when its all said and done, why are we playing this? Whats the whole point of this? fun. So to everyone out there, just enjoy the ride. It doesn't matter what they do. For all they care, they could shut down the game right here right now any second or make any changes that could change the entire face of the game from strategy to a FPS game. So, back to the schedule part of it , it doesn't matter what time or when they release stuff. And they have the full right to do whatever the actual fork they want to do with the game. They can reveal what type of schedule they have or when things are released or not. And at the end of the day, IT DOESN'T MATTER. It doesn't matter. Even if they revealed it and showed it to us, it won't change when they are releasing stuff of not. Plus, they could change it at any point. Heck, for all we know, the release of 5.0 could be scheduled for tomorrow, pushed back till 2019 and we wouldn't be able to change anything.

    *gasps for air

    so in conclusion, just don't worry about it. Oasis will do whatever they want to do with the game when they want to. If you want to play it, play it. If not, and you are still worried about the the schedule aspect of it, go watch world cup reruns or something, I don't know.

    I'm not going to reread or edit this before i post, so if there are tangents or mistakes in here, i sincerely apologize.

    Don't hate, and peace

If you were talking about a game where you do not pay to be competitive you would be perfectly right, sadly is not the case of this game so you are wrong. The very moment they sell me something they have obligations towards me if i pay.

If not with that logic if you go at a shop and they sell you something broken you should have no right to complain even if they guaranteed you it was perfectly working right.




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On 2018-07-17 17:03:14Show All Posts
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  • Daiske On 2018-07-16 07:31:56
  • My response to Oasis Games = Tencent Games stays same. I am sorry.


    selyl - Players are being too harsh and biased with Fuku deal. After that special one we had quiet some time ago, players expect it every single time and if it is not like that, it is automatically bad. Previous Fuku event with EDO Deidara was a special Fuku event that MIGHT but also MIGHT NOT happen from time to time. We are aware that players liked it and if there will be a chance to bring such offer again in the future, we will do so.


    Do I care? 2 - I do not think it is fair to say we overprice items or ninjas. Price changes according to in what event item or ninja can be redeemed. Same can be said about whole event cycle. If there are multiple spending rebates, it is normal you might spend a little bit more than last time BUT you get a lot of items in return. Everything has some value. I do agree with you that it is all about planning and how players handle their resources. I do not think it is a best example to compare mobile game with browser game. I do not play FGO but I really doubt they release their whole schedule with all details. They might announce that some new changes, features or characters are coming in next few weeks. We sadly can't do that. I don't understand your last question regarding time of feature development and change implementation. I do remember the Dosu thread. But the thing is - it was not first thread. When author posted it for a very first time, we have informed him that his suggestion will be passed to rest of the team. And that's it. We do not inform players what is current status of their suggestion or if their suggestion was rejected or not. Simply put, if team is even considering such change or implementation, from that point it is internal information and public will not be informed about it (unless it is confirmed and it's near its release date). There is nothing new I could tell you or anyone else about Dosu case. There are other things, more important things, that team should focus on right now. I know there are players who really really really love Dosu and that is completely fine. But in general, Dosu is not one of the most liked or wanted ninjas from the series. So if he will be added to the game, he will be most likely a side character. Side characters do not receive that much attention. I actually wanted to reply to his thread but I was busy and I had to take care of other things at that time and then I forgot about it.


    Fiyuri - Everything you suggest or request (of course if it is reasonable request) is discussed with rest of the team, that also includes developers. We are not the only version of the game so the process of processing information is a bit longer and sometimes it must be put aside if there are plans to release bigger updates or new big updates/features/ninjas are in development. You as players are able to make changes (to features, ninjas etc .. you might suggest changes but it does not mean it will be implemented). In the past we did polls but it was a failure and we learned our lesson. We promised something and we were not able to keep our promise. So no more polls in near future. Team is working on many features and updates. Mentioning them will make our community believe that it is close to its release date but reality is different (you might not see it for months). That's why we try to avoid such situations.


    Scarlettblue - There are indeed features that are only for players that buy ingots. But it is like that for a reason. It helps the game to survive and develop. Free to play players have the chance to obtain items from such features as well. But it will take them some time.

This has nothing to do with what i said. Ability treasure is not ingots only nor are ingots only advanced threads and is not that if you place them as redeemable items in events they are 'free' they cost the redemption currency we do not spend for other things in that case. If you value 1 ability scroll 100 coupons (those are your prices eh, not mine) then put them in redemption shops in events for the equivalent cost of 100 coupons. If you value 1 advanced thread 69 coupons (again,your prices, not mine) then put them in events at that redemption cost. If you want to make a feature ingots only then make it ingots only, but has nothing to do with the fact those items that right now are purchasable with coupons (not ingots) never appear in events, not even at an increased redemption price than the price you are showing us they value for you, not for us.

And let me tell you that what garv said is perfectly true. It's useless that you show me that panic armor buy event with advanced threads at 38 ingots when with all the features you implented during last 15 months the power and initiative battle armor grants is in no way appealing for that level of prices. Literally none buys advanced threads, nor with coupons neither with ingots because the price is too high for what we get back from it in comparison with every single new feature you implemented during last 15 months and every new further feature you implement make them less appealing. You know perfectly that this is the reason why in china they put advanced threads in sun and moon shop and the reason why the panic buy is both ingots and coupons and the cost per advanced thread is way lower, because no new whale cared for it and is exactly what is happening here too since at least 12 months. I literally do not know one single person over 150k power in any server newer than server 291 that actually owns battle armor rank 8, maybe there are 1 or 2 at most. So what is the point of keeping those unreasonable prices? Legacy? Legacy do not give you money, a new feature to let a whale overcome a big increase of power their rivals gained for arelatively low cost does it do it, instead.




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On 2018-07-17 17:22:57Show All Posts
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  • Jiburiru On 2018-07-17 17:14:31
  • Hi. What was said earlier was this, "Missing content from version 3.0 was pushed back/cancelled due to serious technical problems that needed required amount of time to create fix, then testing and it could delay version 4.0 for months. We (publishers and developers) have chosen the lesser evil." It states that the missing content from version 3.0 was pushed back due to technical problems. Please be wary that this may be subject to change, but at the moment they are not releasing it for a reason.


    We are trying to be transparent with you and answer your questions the best we can, but in order for this to work, you need to also trust us and not just simply assume otherwise.


    ~Jib

The currently implemented interface for eight inner gates feature is 4.0 one, not 3.0 one. If existed an issue was there in 3.0, but indeed is not there anymore because 4.0 interface has by default all the red runes at 80-128k and also gold initiative rune at 80k, they do not need to be 'added' as it was, maybe in 3.0. If there was a technical issue would be there also for the other purple and gold runes, since is not there for them then is not there neither for the other currently hidden (by you) pages of the redemption shop.




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  • Jiburiru On 2018-07-17 17:31:44
  • The thing is, you are basing the "by default" on a feature of the game that exist in another version of the game different from our own. As you know, each feature interacts with the game a little differently. They don't just appear "by default" because a game is updated, they are added into the game individually and may not work as intended if certain features are missing. From what was said before, it seems that what is happening is some of the features are missing due to issues with some of the features from 3.0.


    The feedback regarding the missing features has already been sent as well. Thank you so much for your patience, I will ask a little more about it. I do really understand where you guys are coming from as I am also waiting for the feature myself. Rest assured that we will let you know as soon as possible when it becomes available.


    ~Jib

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