I'm talking about critical rate, injury, combo rate, control rate.

Those are the secondary stats.

There's also initiative, of course, but what that stat do is blatant to everybody and has anyways to be a way to select who moves first, so is the only secondary stat i would not talk about, for obvious reasons.

Yes, i know there are also nin p3netrations, tai p3netrations, damage reduction and elemental weaknesses, but i would prefer to avoid talking about them because is blatant they should not be nerfed for how low they currently impact on the battle mechanics (if possible those ones should be buffed instead...)

Anyways, you are wrong about saying that the only way to nerf them is to remove them. You can easily nerf them by modifying their impact coefficient or their availability.

Currently every 100 rate of difference between the stats of ninja 1 and ninja 2 grants a +1% bonus to the effect of the stat itself, if instead of +1% they granted a quantity lower than 1% (0.8% or 0.5% for example) you would get a nerf of those stats (a nerf to the effect of those stats).

If instead of granting 665 of those stats a level 10 refinement would grant a lower quantity than 665, you would get another kind of nerf to those stats (a nerf to the available quantity of those stats at the current price).

P.S. i'll wait some more replies, now that i better explained what i meant before giving my opinion.

This is not an issue of hard work about those stats, but an issue of how easy is to actually get a goal with them and if is right or not that is actually possible to reach that goal and at what price.

For example:

Is right or not that getting 1000 more critical is better than getting 1000 more atk or nin? Or maybe should be there a lower cap that the current one to it? Or maybe should be there a way way way higher diminishing return on stacking that stat?

Is right or not that getting 1000 more injury is better than getting 1000 more def or res? Or maybe should be there an actual cap depending on how high are your primary defensive and attacking stats to it?

Is right or not that is possible to make a ninja almost immune to debuffs just by stacking 1 single stat at the current price? Or maybe should be better that at most you should get a 50%, a 30% or a 60% chance to avoid the negative effect?

That's the whole point of this thread and what i would like to talk about.

The single person hard work in collecting current stats has nothing to do with it.

Consider a ninja like Jinpachi vs a ninja like Kushinaru.

Jinpachi passive grants him +120% bonus to defense with 3 tech points.

Do you think is right that a kushimaru with 22k atk hits him for 3 ticks of 3700 just because the enemy stacked injury even if the defending jinpachi owns 12k defense that becomes, with the passive boost, 26400?

Then what's the point of that passive if the ninjas dies the same like if he had not that passive just for 1 single secondary stat?

If they begin today to give advanced refinements at 2 coupons each one, would still take 1 year to get all level 10 refinements on all the ninjas.

At the current pace a f2p maybe in 10 years makes all level 10 refinements (if they spend coupons only on them).

Anyways, part of the issue is what Scarlettblue said.

Overstacking one single ninja currently pays back too much in comparison with not doing it (by paying the same amount of money), have 0 side effects and makes the other 3 ninjas just a cute surrounding that's there just to bring to move 1 ninja some buffs or some shields. Maybe what you says balances with all 10 refinements and all level 12 runes, but since that thing at the current pace would not be reached by anybody (not even 1000$ per month whales) before next 2 years, doesn't seem a good way to balance a game.

neurotoxin and shark bomb 'issue' is a consequence of critical secondary stat as is now.

P.S. ignition does not land 1800-1900 damage, actually lands 1800-1900 + all the denied healings (that in a case like mine means for example 6k from regenerative healing jutsu or 4k from standard attack, that is comparable to what 4 stacks of poison do). If your enemy does not heal it's a bad effect, exactly as how bad is poison if your enemy is immune to debuffs.

Yes, but up to a certain point.

There's a limit to it too.

Honestly speaking, no.

If you spend a lot you should not be rewarded with things you actually spent a lot onto.

What's the outcome of getting all level 9-10 refinements in move 1 right now?

That you get top3 in swb every time.

And what is the reward for getting top3 in swb every time?

Advanced refinements.

This is not a good way to manage the things, business-wise.

Should be who does not get top3 that gets a ton of refinements so is able to catch up to the top3 without spending as much as them, that way those people, to keep their placements, are compelled to pay more in other features.

Imho, currently, top3 placements should grant ability treasure scrolls and myoboku grasps, while position 4-10 in swb should grant 12-18 advanced refinements.

Here the problem is that if you overstack 1 single ninja you beat a person that spent twice as much as you but that spreaded the secondary stats on 2-3-4 ninjas.

This makes no sense as much as does not make any sense that spending that 'few' money grants you that kind of advantage.

I'm exactly like you.

Currently 5th in my server and 35th in my spacetime backet.

Never spent more than 25$ per month in this game.

Still i do not understand why the side effects of overstacking secondary stats on 1 sinle ninja vs spreading them is so low.

Tencent does not even know the script they make?

LOL

Anyways p3netrations, and has always been so, were and are extremely useful if your enemy is full stacked in damage reduction and extremely useless if your enemy have close to no damage reduction.

What those stats do is to damp the bonus granted by damage reduction to defense (tai pen) and to resistance (nin pen).

It's just that people in early times had no way to reach decent levels of damage reduction (2500+) so p3netrations effect were close to 0 since the effect of damage reduction stacking is exponential, but i'm astonished by the fact Tencent that scripted it to be this way was not aware of this LOL.