I'm not complaining. I'm just sharing a team that I find broken because it can beat a team that owns initiative and has 20K more BP. Experienced it myself or maybe I messed up during that fight. I controlled Jinpachi with Shisui round 2 and CF with MM (this is where I think I messed up because his pos 3 CF was able to cast double standard mystery even if my pos 2 MM already had the mystery icon above his head even before CF casted his double standard mystery which led to Jinpachi being cleared and my whole team was ignited).

Genjutsu Mirror Return is a hard counter to Shisui's mystery, don't forget him and LM are very squishy and the only thing keeping them alive is Root of Warrior's immunity + 100% resistance. My Hokage Minato literally tapped Shisui once and he was half hp already (3rd position Shisui so not stacked that hard).

Regarding Itachi Susano'o interrupting Shark Kisame, you can just use this team with Kurenai and solve the issue.

PS: Stack Deidara hard, make control fail every time.

Any team with Shisui is OP. (Yes I'm salty not because I don't have him but for how ill designed he is)

I want to see water cancer teams go extinct. :D

Shisui is no big deal guys.

I wouldn't really say that any team with Shisui is OP because I have beaten Shisui teams before using the Kushimaru blitz or maybe because I had higher pos 1 ini and Kushimaru was stacked pretty well. Dodge teams are just a bit tricky i guess.

when your move 1 is 16k+ critical is not random at all, deidara, main and jinpachi are always chaosed, the only issue is kisame but Kisame will be hit for 3 full rounds by flowing whip that is a mid-high combo standard (+30% basic combo). Acupuncture is close to be granted. Add to it water style water trumphet and king of hell/crustacean/guy's tortoise and is done.

you are wrong my bro

the problem is that he is lower 20K power that the earth team and does not own initiative

if use shisui, i doubt if he can control successfully or kill enemy before chaos disappear

No you got it switched. The CF running the team with Edo Deidara, Shark Kisame and Jinapchi is the one that is 20K BP below that does not own initiative.

16k+ critical in move 1 no longer belongs to the said power bracket stated in the post. That means it's already in the 120K+ BP I assume. The condition above states that this lineup is still at the 70K-90K BP range.

Only reason you won is cause of your Wind Main Clones being there to prevent Han from baiting dodges. Otherwise it would had gone the other way around.

You are right. But this thread isn't about those teams you are citing, right?

It's about CF, Jinpachi, Deidara and Sharkisame. I don't see any genjutsu mirror passive there.

It's great that different teams have different counters, it's the reason why this game is still playable and the reason why they forced madara 5 kage out in CN, to provide a way to shutdown SB Ay.

This thread is about "Broken Teams" and Kurenai has Genjutsu - Mirror Return...

The only way they can beat me is with more INI, even then if I CC right the reset cooldown + remove poisons is too much for that newbie team.

Water meta teams are always the most annoying at first but die eventually, leaving some people who had them in denial, thinking they are still good. :D

With the ninjas we have now it's a miracle anyone plays that team, it's only because alot of noobs think Lightning Main with Root and Shisui is a good idea, when it is the noob idea.

I wouldn't really call it a noob lineup. We are limited to use lineups from the ninjas that we have. I was also using that lineup before because it's the only viable team that I had. Once I got other ninjas like Edo Sasori, Jinpachi and Kushimaru, that's when I started using the Kushimaru blitz. When I finally pieced MM and Shisui, that's when I started using them. Again, we are limited to use lineups from the ninjas that we have unless we spend a lot in game which gives us easier access to ninjas. Calling them noobs just because they use this lineup would be, for me, just plainly and outright rude.

Eh, rude for dissing someone's lineup in a game, he could use the same team but with fire main and it would be way better in this meta.

even higher :-) but yes in the 90k range no, doesn't work, indeed.

at your range of power shisui, madara/itachi anbu, masked man, sb/bd or kushimaru blitz with a move 3 or 4 jinpachi should be able to beat that team.

I used Shisui, MM, Anbu Itachi with SB and failed miserably. Controlled Jinpachi in round 2 with Shisui but for some reason the pos3 CF was able to cast double standard mystery before my pos2 MM even if I have spammed MM mystery right after Shisui mystery. Do note that MM mystery icon was already on top of his head even before CF double standard mystery appeared over the head of CF or should I have controlled CF with Shisui and Jinpachi with MM instead?

Don't need more initiative.

Say you're not running Clones.

I can just wait til Han baits out your dodges. Then break barrier with Roshi hitting Shisui/MM and whatever else. Hell I can even target your Wind Main to prevent its mystery from going off. Meanwhile Poison and Ignite is hitting your team rather hard.

I had people lose with your team because I was I playing intelligently and did what i stated above. That is why I said if you weren't running clones, you would had lost.

"Say you're not running Clones", are you joking? That team is dead without Clones bro. xD

And the broken team cited by OP is kisame, deidara, CF and Jinpachi.

He asked for help dealing with this particolar team up here, so we answered accordingly. I'm happy that you can find a team to beat my suggestion... bravo!, chapeau!, whatever you want.

Still, something that you are still clearly not understanding, is that if one explains how to beat one team... it doesn't mean that there are no cons, nor ways to bypass them.