Scarlet Blaze's biggest advantage, the Genjutsu Mirror is also his biggest Con if the opponent has Mirror, CC and INI advantage.
He use Shisui, it reflects to him then back to you, on random ninja, then Masked Man immobilizes the ninja he targeted initially and you are CC'ed twice. Then he also uses Masked Man mystery and you are CC'ed 3 times. GG.
For that with double mirrors (each player has a mirror), you must attack first with the debuff, then he will receive the debuff you intend to use, otherwise, if he uses it first, you'll get the debuff at the end. It works like this - you send the debuff first, it reflects on his mirror, his mirror is down now, that debuff that deflected from his mirror WILL DEFLECT at your mirror and he will receive the initial debuff.
Plus, you can't prove your point because you are running whale vs whale ninjas, you have masked man and minato...you are considered as whale too, or definitely as pay to win yourself. When equal people match then it's obviously going to be a fight who has the initial and right universal ninjas that works against anyone. In those cases you have no reason to blame on mains if it's 1:1 teams and setups, it's just a broken game idea to have me
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First of all, interruption is useless 90% of the time because of the skill delay, you either CC them with mystery or combo or see your Iruka/ whatever try to interrupt after the mystery is done even though you pressed.
Second of all Eath, Wind, Lightning indeed have more chances to win if they have less INI unless the opponent has a ninja to remove immunity. Wind for example could have Gaara, Kurenai, Wind Main and Minato, you having no Shisui/Masked man/Han have only 2 options to use mystery on, Kurenai or Wind and they're both immune. For Earth Main again, use super armor and other dodge or super armor ninjas and you have no target. In lightning main's case again, need to have buff removal team, or blitz them with a ton of damage (so much that 100% resistance & immunity can't take it).
But Fire Main is naked to everyone if he has less INI, because while not all have CC mystery, everyone has CC chase, so you really can't use him and expect to win unless:
a. you have the INI advantage
b. you counter that team, even then you might lose if you don't use mysteries right
Even his mirror is useless, Shisui would do mystery right of the bat since he is immune, and when it mirrors back to him it says "immune state", or something like that.
Scarlet almost always gets paired with masked man so dream on with your counter teams, what kind of teams do you think top SB users use? Yes he is weak with f2p teams but if we're looking at his potential with p2w ninjas, he's ezly top 3 behind wind and earth main, water main is too weak to cc and light main is too dependent on buffs.
First of all, interruption is useless 90% of the time because of the skill delay, you either CC them with mystery or combo or see your Iruka/ whatever try to interrupt after the mystery is done even though you pressed.
Second of all Eath, Wind, Lightning indeed have more chances to win if they have less INI unless the opponent has a ninja to remove immunity. Wind for example could have Gaara, Kurenai, Wind Main and Minato, you having no Shisui/Masked man/Han have only 2 options to use mystery on, Kurenai or Wind and they're both immune. For Earth Main again, use super armor and other dodge or super armor ninjas and you have no target. In lightning main's case again, need to have buff removal team, or blitz them with a ton of damage (so much that 100% resistance & immunity can't take it).
But Fire Main is naked to everyone if he has less INI, because while not all have CC mystery, everyone has CC chase, so you really can't use him and expect to win unless:
a. you have the INI advantage
b. you counter that team, even then you might lose if you don't use mysteries right
Even his mirror is useless, Shisui would do mystery right of the bat since he is immune, and when it mirrors back to him it says "immune state", or something like that.
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For that with double mirrors (each player has a mirror), you must attack first with the debuff, then he will receive the debuff you intend to use, otherwise, if he uses it first, you'll get the debuff at the end. It works like this - you send the debuff first, it reflects on his mirror, his mirror is down now, that debuff that deflected from his mirror WILL DEFLECT at your mirror and he will receive the initial debuff.
Plus, you can't prove your point because you are running whale vs whale ninjas, you have masked man and minato...you are considered as whale too, or definitely as pay to win yourself. When equal people match then it's obviously going to be a fight who has the initial and right universal ninjas that works against anyone. In those cases you have no reason to blame on mains if it's 1:1 teams and setups, it's just a broken game idea to have me
I can blame both me
Btw why did you pair Kurenai with Fire Main with both of them having Genjutsu Mirror Passive?
Let's say opponent's Fire Main uses Shisui and you have 2 mirrors (from Kurenai and Main), does it reflect to him --> back to you --> back to him because of Kurenai?
Btw why did you pair Kurenai with Fire Main with both of them having Genjutsu Mirror Passive?
Let's say opponent's Fire Main uses Shisui and you have 2 mirrors (from Kurenai and Main), does it reflect to him --> back to you --> back to him because of Kurenai?
Genjutsu mirror does not stack. Both mirrors from Fire main and Kurenai will be used at the same time to reflect the same debuff.
I see some people saying how SB is considered OP instead of weak because whales are using him. Well first of all, whale's population are very low compare to majority of player ba
Same case here for SB, whales are using him mostly because 2 reasons. His mirror and 4th mystery, these two provide great unity without condition that allow whales to pick any carry ninja they want. Beside that the rest of his kit are ignorable because how lack luster it is compare to others. But majority of players who are not whale can't just depend only that 2 things, they need more.
From 1.0 to 4.0, most changes SB received were just nerf left and right while other got buffed. Want me to list some for you guys in case you are new?
- His mirror return used to had another effect that allow him and his team deal increase damage on ignited targets.
- His 2nd mystery used to had a mini unparalleled built in. All they did was nerfed it and waste a new talent slot for unparalleled.
- His Red Lotus buff used to buff blood limit ninjas instead of secret jutsu user and I'm pretty sure there are more f2p friendly blood limit ninjas than f2p secret jutsu user ninjas out there.
- His Oboro clone used to be able to attack on it own and cause imprison effect, high chance of cause repluse.
- His Bani Chakra used to be able to ignite 1 random target and delete buffs on them.
- His Death Mrrage used to be able to cancel 1 debuff on 2 random targets in your team and recover 20 chakra.
Just look at all that and look at him now. He is just a shadow of his previous self.
So, how to fix SB for everyone and not just for whale? Reduce his unity and increase his own gimmick is the way.
- Give him back his increase damage to ignited target, no need to put it into mirror, just put it into Ninjutsu Urge.
- Make his Bani Chakra ignire 2 random targets and recover 10 chakra for each unit that succesfully got ignited.
- Make him interact with blood limit ninjas again instead of secret user.
- Make his 2nd mystery cause ignite to all targets that get hit, I always wonder why MB allowed to paralyzed with his mystery when fire main can't ignite with his mystery. Feel free to decrease the damage deal like 70-80% to make it balance and won't render his 1st mystery useless.
- Make his 4th mystery no longer able to make his whole team immune for 1 round. Just delete debuffs.
- And his 3rd mystery work like CN.
Done, you have a fire maniac with ignited gimmick to play around instead of a fodder for the 1st round mystery then stand there and look pretty rest of the match.
I agree with your suggestions to better Scarlet Blaze, but also, Ninjutsu Urge is his only permanent buff, the difference it makes is so little, 15% bonus to ninjutsu and 10% leech, that goes unnoticed, just pump up the numbers a little bit, 20% nin and 20% leech at the very least. Hell, even Guy gives better leech.
If his 3rd mystery got improved in CN it will happen here too, no need to bring that up. IMO his passives need to be improved the most.
Seems to me like his kit before was way better, more like a real fire/genjutsu user. Not just someone you use for illusion shield and mirror.
Btw why did you pair Kurenai with Fire Main with both of them having Genjutsu Mirror Passive?
Let's say opponent's Fire Main uses Shisui and you have 2 mirrors (from Kurenai and Main), does it reflect to him --> back to you --> back to him because of Kurenai?
Because I forgot which ninja was the 3rd one that goes with the setup, since I always see kurenai around, so I took her instead, just for the sake of the point, imagine that fire main then uses fire buff instead of mirror since he uses kurenai, not a big difference, point still stands.
Btw, no matter how you look at it, to give every other main a status added to their damaging mystery, while SB does only damage and that's it, is kind of bad.
Paralysis, Chaos but no Ignite...
Depends which mystery you take then...but if you got Shisui you don't need that other mystery that sets aflame enemy units...Shisui will do it for you while you c*e mirrors...
Lemme guess, SB main?
Wind Main at the moment but probably gonna go back to Earth Main by tomorrow since I've had the most wins vs people on my server with him.
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