Or actually replace Bani Chakra, the most useless passive in the game.

Might have been the case way back in the day. Now it's a pretty even between Earth and Fire at least based on space time and my servers individual rankings.

That being said, I agree with the original post that it would be nice if the normal attack had a chase condition on more than just 1 of them. And if ninjustu urge was 25% like lightning main.

First of all Scarlet Blaze lacks any clear debuffs or immunity on himself and other characters, accupuncture him round 1 and he can't do anything about it, unless you waste a ninja slot on a useless character like Gakido. Replace one of his standard attacks with a lightning main calm mind for example. Yea he can bait dodge with his fourth standard but he's gonna be slot 3-4 ninja anyway, cause he's only good for support.

Look at Lightning Main, immunity to 3 sword ninjas and 100% more resistance. Not only you can't debuff them, unless you have Han/Mask Man/Kushina Red. Cause round 2 may be already too late if they have more initiative, but you also do 100% less damage with ninjutsu. Considering sword ninjas are meta ninjas, lightning main will only have 1 spot that may drag the team down, which isn't the case if he puts Kushina Red, or any other good immune, dodge ninja, super armor ninja. Basically if you can't debuff them you lost the fight.

Look at Wind Main, they stack res and def on her, make her immune, then you waste combo on her, they use Kurenai's shield on her, then she clears everyone's debuffs and can do mysteries all over again.

Now look at Fire Main, only has 1 good mystery, Illusion-Mirroring jutsu, 3 round cooldown, if it gets interrupted it's GG, if you get immobilized your clone is only a meatshield, not as good as water's clone, or wind main's.

Let's look at Fire Main in comparison to Lightning again, Lightning has better leech, with Warrior's Killing Intent he c*e Shisui every round. You only have 1 good pvp passive as SB, Genjutsu Mirror, which can be easily baited, while LM gets Root of Warrior, Anbu Special Tactics and Warrior's Killing Intent, also Heart Flux for Madara Blitz Teams. LM has Accupuncture, AOE Paralysis, Lightning Armor, and potential every round mystery. SB still only Illusion Mirror for pvp.

SUGGESTIONS for Scarlet Blaze improvement:

1. Make Illusion-Mirroring Jutsu 2 round cooldown instead of 3.

2. Replace one of his standard attacks with one similar to Lightning Main's Calm Mind.

3. Make his clone attack on it's own, using Scarlet Blaze's Fire Style-Bomb Blast. Make it have 60% of it's owner HP instead of 40%. Basically same % as Water Main's version of it.

4. Make Ninjutsu Urge leech for 25% and improve ninjutsu by 25%. Basically same % as LM's version of it. Keep Genjutsu Mirror where it is, his only redeeming passive.

5. Last but not least, give him Immunity Passive to 3 fire ninjas and 100% resistance, name it Root of Fire and replace Death Mirage with it.

There is no point in having a talent slot, a weaker clone of someone else's talent, cause it still wastes one talent slot.

Now BRB while I switch to Lightning Main, seem to be the better option for PvP.

1. Make Illusion-Mirroring Jutsu 2 round cooldown instead of 3.

If they make shark bomb a 0 rounds starting cd with a cost of 20 chakra instead of 40 i could be ok with it.

2. Replace one of his standard attacks with one similar to Lightning Main's Calm Mind.

I'm ok with it as far as healing jutsu (the 2nd standard attack) first removes debuff and then heals and if may be used even if azure fang is under sleep/immobile/chaos effect only on herself

3. Make his clone attack on it's own, using Scarlet Blaze's Fire Style-Bomb Blast. Make it have 60% of it's owner HP instead of 40%.Basically same % as Water Main's version of it.

If water main clone can be used together with poison tai or together with experimental ninjutsu and gets 100% of the original main stats i'm ok with it.

4. Make Ninjutsu Urge leech for 25% and improve ninjutsu by 25%. Basically same % as LM's version of it. Keep Genjutsu Mirror where it is, his only redeeming passive.

If nature energy gathering grants also a selfhealing of 12% total hp every time azure fang gets chakra and if the ninjutsu boost goes also to healings i'm ok with it.

5. Last but not least, give him Immunity Passive to 3 fire ninjas and 100% resistance, name it Root of Fire and replace Death Mirage with it.

If reserve seal increases crit chance by 4% per stack and selfheals also if azure fang is ignited i'm ok with it.

Just know that what i asked as compensation is more or less what is needed to rebalance what you asked.

Fire main don't actually need a lot of changes in his kit like many others said. He just need a few add-on effect on his current kit.

Mystery :
- 3rd mystery should ignore and go through immune to debuffs ninja, remove the cd reduction passive if Oboro clone is present.

- 4th mystery's mystery should add a shield base on his TOTAL res, not his based res.

Passive :

- Mirror return should be revert back to 1.0 where it give a passive buff that increase damage deal to ignited targets because this is his best gimmick imo. He is a fire jutsu expert so he should act like it. But currently ignite is kinda weak beside it only purpose to counter some water team because it capped at 1k9 damage per tick and there are many immune ninjas out there.

I think that's all fire main need. So all main are unique and have their own gimmick.
Fire : ignite and increase damage on them, strong control.
Lightning : immune swordman and leech and mystery cd reset and paralyze and look cool.
Water : healing, remove debuffs, poison.
Earth : shielding, increase damage when have shield.

BTW I know this thread is kinda useless because no matter we discuss here won't reach tencent. But who care about that? As long as you have fun typing stuffs lol

Fire main don't actually need a lot of changes in his kit like many others said. He just need a few add-on effect on his current kit.

Mystery :
- 3rd mystery should ignore and go through immune to debuffs ninja, remove the cd reduction passive if Oboro clone is present.

- 4th mystery's mystery should add a shield base on his TOTAL res, not his based res.

Passive :

- Mirror return should be revert back to 1.0 where it give a passive buff that increase damage deal to ignited targets because this is his best gimmick imo. He is a fire jutsu expert so he should act like it. But currently ignite is kinda weak beside it only purpose to counter some water team because it capped at 1k9 damage per tick and there are many immune ninjas out there.

I think that's all fire main need. So all main are unique and have their own gimmick.
Fire : ignite and increase damage on them, strong control.
Lightning : immune swordman and leech and mystery cd reset and paralyze and look cool.
Water : healing, remove debuffs, poison.
Earth : shielding, increase damage when have shield.

BTW I know this thread is kinda useless because no matter we discuss here won't reach tencent. But who care about that? As long as you have fun typing stuffs lol

Just wait couple of years~ he can immobile Pure immune ( Roshi , Bee , Kushi HB , etc)

Couple Of Yearssssssss~

1. Make Illusion-Mirroring Jutsu 2 round cooldown instead of 3.

If they make shark bomb a 0 rounds starting cd with a cost of 20 chakra instead of 40 i could be ok with it.

2. Replace one of his standard attacks with one similar to Lightning Main's Calm Mind.

I'm ok with it as far as healing jutsu (the 2nd standard attack) first removes debuff and then heals and if may be used even if azure fang is under sleep/immobile/chaos effect only on herself

3. Make his clone attack on it's own, using Scarlet Blaze's Fire Style-Bomb Blast. Make it have 60% of it's owner HP instead of 40%.Basically same % as Water Main's version of it.

If water main clone can be used together with poison tai or together with experimental ninjutsu and gets 100% of the original main stats i'm ok with it.

4. Make Ninjutsu Urge leech for 25% and improve ninjutsu by 25%. Basically same % as LM's version of it. Keep Genjutsu Mirror where it is, his only redeeming passive.

If nature energy gathering grants also a selfhealing of 12% total hp every time azure fang gets chakra and if the ninjutsu boost goes also to healings i'm ok with it.

5. Last but not least, give him Immunity Passive to 3 fire ninjas and 100% resistance, name it Root of Fire and replace Death Mirage with it.

If reserve seal increases crit chance by 4% per stack and selfheals also if azure fang is ignited i'm ok with it.

Just know that what i asked as compensation is more or less what is needed to rebalance what you asked.

This can't wait a couple of years, a couple of weeks/months maybe. xD

First of all Scarlet Blaze lacks any clear debuffs or immunity on himself and other characters, accupuncture him round 1 and he can't do anything about it, unless you waste a ninja slot on a useless character like Gakido. Replace one of his standard attacks with a lightning main calm mind for example. Yea he can bait dodge with his fourth standard but he's gonna be slot 3-4 ninja anyway, cause he's only good for support.

Look at Lightning Main, immunity to 3 sword ninjas and 100% more resistance. Not only you can't debuff them, unless you have Han/Mask Man/Kushina Red. Cause round 2 may be already too late if they have more initiative, but you also do 100% less damage with ninjutsu. Considering sword ninjas are meta ninjas, lightning main will only have 1 spot that may drag the team down, which isn't the case if he puts Kushina Red, or any other good immune, dodge ninja, super armor ninja. Basically if you can't debuff them you lost the fight.

Look at Wind Main, they stack res and def on her, make her immune, then you waste combo on her, they use Kurenai's shield on her, then she clears everyone's debuffs and can do mysteries all over again.

Now look at Fire Main, only has 1 good mystery, Illusion-Mirroring jutsu, 3 round cooldown, if it gets interrupted it's GG, if you get immobilized your clone is only a meatshield, not as good as water's clone, or wind main's.

Let's look at Fire Main in comparison to Lightning again, Lightning has better leech, with Warrior's Killing Intent he c*e Shisui every round. You only have 1 good pvp passive as SB, Genjutsu Mirror, which can be easily baited, while LM gets Root of Warrior, Anbu Special Tactics and Warrior's Killing Intent, also Heart Flux for Madara Blitz Teams. LM has Accupuncture, AOE Paralysis, Lightning Armor, and potential every round mystery. SB still only Illusion Mirror for pvp.

SUGGESTIONS for Scarlet Blaze improvement:

1. Make Illusion-Mirroring Jutsu 2 round cooldown instead of 3.

2. Replace one of his standard attacks with one similar to Lightning Main's Calm Mind.

3. Make his clone attack on it's own, using Scarlet Blaze's Fire Style-Bomb Blast. Make it have 60% of it's owner HP instead of 40%. Basically same % as Water Main's version of it.

4. Make Ninjutsu Urge leech for 25% and improve ninjutsu by 25%. Basically same % as LM's version of it. Keep Genjutsu Mirror where it is, his only redeeming passive.

5. Last but not least, give him Immunity Passive to 3 fire ninjas and 100% resistance, name it Root of Fire and replace Death Mirage with it.

There is no point in having a talent slot, a weaker clone of someone else's talent, cause it still wastes one talent slot.

Now BRB while I switch to Lightning Main, seem to be the better option for PvP.

I don't even understand your compensations lol. You gave "compensations" without even explaining why they would compensate. That's not how discussions should go...

Currently, The best Mains in terms of optimal teams are

Earth/Wind > Fire > Lightning > Water

Fire is generally considered the "safe" main for *l-purpose team. He's far from weak, however far from being a highlight.

While there's plenty of people here arguing their point about LM and Root with Shisui, etc.

The entire bases focus on that focal point. Reality is, LM's structured teams aren't better than Fire, let alone Earth/Wind. Why?

Mirror and Debuff Mystery. Not to mention Fire also has an extremely healthy clone that works wonders for combo centered teams.

There's a reason why Fire is considered a "whale" main. Because of his unconditional support skills.

I'll reply to this suggestion I've seen on this thread.

"SUGGESTIONS for Scarlet Blaze improvement:

1. Make Illusion-Mirroring Jutsu 2 round cooldown instead of 3.

2. Replace one of his standard attacks with one similar to Lightning Main's Calm Mind.

3. Make his clone attack on it's own, using Scarlet Blaze's Fire Style-Bomb Blast. Make it have 60% of it's owner HP instead of 40%. Basically same % as Water Main's version of it.

4. Make Ninjutsu Urge leech for 25% and improve ninjutsu by 25%. Basically same % as LM's version of it. Keep Genjutsu Mirror where it is, his only redeeming passive.

5. Last but not least, give him Immunity Passive to 3 fire ninjas and 100% resistance, name it Root of Fire and replace Death Mirage with it.

There is no point in having a talent slot, a weaker clone of someone else's talent, cause it still wastes one talent slot.

Now BRB while I switch to Lightning Main, seems to be the better option for PvP."

1. AoE Team debuff immunity at 2 rounds would make Fire vastly above Earth/Wind. That mystery is key in tough situations, reasons, why Y'all might think he's lackluster, is simply because people love *ing that mystery early in the fight or when there's one stack of poison, instead of 3-4.

2. One of Fire's major advantages that players tend to forget is that he has a high base damage. You don't have to have him geared for him to actually be able to provide a medium level damage to the team. His AoE fire spit is a good example. On top of Oboro clone, you get two of them with a solid chance of igniting.

Although I'd say people would tend to ignore a calm mind style standard in favor of his already amazing standard. But it's not a bad choice to have.

3. Absolutely not.

You're technically nerfing the clone by making it attack on its own. Considering it's a nerfed base stats on it, compared to Fire Main's original.

As for % HP on the clone? His clone makes him extremely versatile, While Waters is simply there for the standard. Oboro Clone provides more with his kit.

4. Majority of skills are Ninjutsu focused, hence why it's a lesser value compared to Lightning Main.

5. I'm not even gonna bother replying to this.

Fire Main's job isn't to be a clone of another Main, it's to provide his very niche. Of course, some of his talents are lackluster, however, they work in certain cases. Which is why he'll be buffed in the future to compensate for that. (Of course, he'll be nerfed in his strong sides)

The issue with FM is that he's just there for one job and one job alone. There's no versatile as a main. He's simply used for Mystery Debuff, AoE Standard, Mirror Passive and Oboro Clone. Which is simple and effective. But definitely one-sided.

To wrap this up. Do I feel he needs a buff? Definitely, But do I feel he needs a nerf too? Yes.

He's extremely good at the niche he provides. While other mains fail to compensate after their initial buffs wear out.

LM is extremely good with Root, but after R2, he's quite lackluster and can honestly only give AoE Aura skills like Leeching, 5 Rounds ablities like Warriors Intent, etc.

Water is all around but generally the focus during any fight and because she lacks any defensive skills, she'll be eaten alive without a support. And you know how that goes, Support needing a Support. Fun right.

Now Earth and Wind are simply unconditional with what they offer.

Flower Guard, Clones, Clones, Clones.

Defensive Knowledge, Shields, Shields.

Just check actual Space-Time fights between the strongest people and you'll realize quickly why certain mains are used.