Did you have a 1v1 between a SB and an AF?

Because, like in every team game, it's the lineup that let you win, not the main. The reason why all mains are reworked every year is that they all feel disappointing, when compared to other ninjas.

Couldnt disagree more, i've played alot of water main teams, and owned fire main teams even those few thousand power above me. I think its all about what team u build around.

Ive been talking about this a few months ago. In this game azure as watermain is very weak against fire. Not only that, all ninjas who have fire/ignite so powerful enemy (Roshi, Naruto, Jinpachi now haha) because healing cant do anything if your ninja under ignite n bad news is ignite isnt priority to be removed, thats why i never see water + sailor sakura anymore

There are a lot of things to consider: person's element resistance (can get +20 water resistance) ,tactics running ( resistance tactics) , cloths , mags ,charms.

As for initiative , when you put Azura fang in the back and he got itachi in front , he wins ini. Move 1 ninja goes before move 2 ninja, unless move 2 ninja got 10k more ini.

Itachi is about 1500-7500 + sushi 200 so don't expect kabuto or sailor to beat them. No need to bring back no brain healing teams; they killed this game enough.

As for fair, water meta was way op. I saw a 88k person beating 160k person (I love lego vs medbeast?)

You c*e water main to beat itachi suasano teams ,just needs to spend closer to what other person spent on getting his itachi . Fair enough right :)

This is about the game. So i talk about the game. Who cares about anime?

As i said before, atm there is no offensive water ninja that can compete with fire (itachi and shisui are fire type). So there is no point on running a water based team. Fire ninjas, not fire main.

The team i've provided can easily beat the uchiha fire team. And no, it doesn't work better with other mains, even if it could be tweaked a bit to be a really good BD team.

That said, the next meta we will face for the next 6 months will be MB / CF kurama link naruto teams and it will be hard to see any SB teams.

As i said before this game is wrong since the beginning. If in terms of nature water can beat fire. But in fact the water is very weak against fire, not just the nature of fire.

Today isnt for water meta but today is dodge meta

They are not going to change talents. They made people max out their water teams(5 star tsunade+5star sailor) now they put a counter so people will spend on new meta. Making new talents is a coding nightmare and costly.

There are no end game ninjas , meta change from time to time. Have to adapt.

In a 1v1, SB and AF are evenly matched. Scarlet blaze got ignite,shield mirror while azura fang got remove debuffs+ heal+ poison.

I bet for SB 1vs1 if they have the same hp or even water has a little more SB can kill her slowly. Even u cant move if SB use sleep thats my experience.

SB skill: 1-2-1-2-2

AF?

^You can win against most fire teams using sailor sakura and water main. Tell me how many f2p or medium spender can beat sailor sakura wm han and roshi teams .Add skill broken kurunei and you got a good team.Only problem you have is against a whale running susano itachi ,mm and shisui. They are not going to make countering whale teams that easy.If it was easy to counter, people wouldn't buy those premium ninja. lol

i'm wondering how bad you guys must be as players to think water is weak. in the 100k bracket a full stack of water poison will kill a ninja in 2 rounds, add in mystery dmg and chases and you might kill a ninja per round.

i don't know why you want to limit yourself to 3 water ninja vs 3 fire ninjas, if you are using the water dmg buff then you realy dont know how to play water. if the mirror is giving your problems then bring your own, SB kurenai has mirror passive, and her myst has cleanse heal and shield, her standard/chase also has chaos . so you can relfect the chaos back and cleanse another ninja.

sailor sakura is a staple for water mains still, self healing on hit keeps her alive longer than most ninjas so she can tank all the dmg the enemy can deal if they dont ignite her, which anbu itachi, shisui, and fire main wont do when chasing a mystery.

and why the hell are you even talking about skewer? its time has passed, use shark bombs every round to chaos control the enemy team, it has a high crit chase so combined with nuerotoxin you can cc everything without a dodge/immunity, so long as they arent a whale with susano itachi you will win cause they cant move.

that still leaves space for 1 more ninja, add a gakido for bonus cleansing and shields and you can stop even the susano itachi from doing * as r1 u have 2 cleanse mysteries and 2 heal standards, which means as long as ur main is faster in m1 you can keep the enemy cc locked and they can't clear your chaos, the combo would be: shark bomb creates kd, main chases to high float, monkey king to kd, kurenai chases to repulse, sakura chases to high float, monkey king to kd, gakido. mirror will bounce 1 chaos so an enemy who was crit might stay free but even if ur shark bomb doesnt crit anything you will be able to chase and force a crit which then bounces to a random enemy because of dual reflects, then kurenai chase causes chaos as well, so by focusing his main you prevent him from using his mystery or generating chakra. if his main cant move then any other chaos you deal will *, even if he uses shisui r2 then kurenai will have the chakra to cleanse, so regardless of which cleanse you may have needed to pop r1(most likely hers because gakido has a team cleanse b4 each action so would cleanse her chaos anyway which means chaosing gakido would be the smart move) you will have the ability to cleanse whoever shisui hits assuming shisui didnt get hit by chaos relfecting anyway.

this team is pure f2p, no ninjas you cant get easily, sakura is the hardest one to get but she is still only 2400 coupons when she is in events. your problem isnt that water is weak, its that you don't know how to build a team to counter the teams you have problems with. fire is the weakest main right now, wind is better than fire purely because of dance, water is by no means weak, you just need to build around her instead of crying for buffs.

oh wow ur so strong at 106k power. lol. my main team is 187k, come to s2 and see for urself.

and yes you did say to limit it to 3 water vs 3 fire, and i quote:

"I challenge you to find a lineup with AF, 2 other water ninjas + 1 non water ninja that is able to beat Itachi Susano'o, Shisui, SB + a non fire ninja of your choice that completes the meta.

And even if you find one, it works better with another main, so it's useless to run it with azure fang."

to answer this challenge i would use the edo hashirama hokage tsunade sailor sakura water main team, kurama naruto would be better than sakura but hes wind, if your hashirama is faster then you can interupt the shisui since hashi myst is an undodgeable aoe that interupts and he chases himself to steal all of the enemies chakra, he heals and cleanses the water main if she has the senjutsu passive so round 2 the enemy cant do anything, which means if they did use itachi r1 then you cleanse the chaos r2 anyway, it is impossible for a fire main team to keep 4 people ccd and this team has 4 cleanse+heal options so you will never stay ccd on any ninja longer than 1 round plus the larger heals thanks to tsunade will make it so you out heal his possible burst

you cant compare susano itachi to any ninja besides edo hashirama as they are the only 2 ultra rare ninjas and to get either of them costs about 3-3.5k seal scrolls to pull. so yes they r realy realy powerful, as they should be, and guess what, a water main can run that itachi too, both players using itachi and guess what they cc lock each other for 2 rounds and then itachi is meaningless since they countered each other. if you are 106k power and trying to fight against $2000 teams with $500 teams then i c*ready see your problem, the other person has ninjas that are more powerful than yours, try using the same ninjas he is using or spend more on power to make up the difference.

also, shark bomb has a high crit chance, so it can cc lock 4 ninjas each round, if the opponent is running the "free" team of anbu itachi, sb, shisui, masked man(not very free since mm cost $250 and shisui costs another $200, ~22500coupons) vs the water team i suggested for only 2400 coupons, then the water team still can cc lock 2 ninjas and trigger the dodge for the other 2, plus the bounced chaos which might hit a dodger anyway thereby cc locking 3 people EVERY round, and with that much cleanse u cant be cc locked without facing susano itachi(an expensive as hell ultra rare ninja who because of his cost alone should be op).

dont worry about your poison being weak, it will get to the 8k mark by the time u hit 120k since res scaling drops extremely fast, so it will increase in damage alot faster than your res will prevent the damage. i get hit with max poison damage and i have over 12k resistance. but hell, who needs poison when you can cc lock the enemy? if they cant attack you then just keep hitting them till they die or round 10 comes and you win with full health, so just use chaos shark bombs every round to prevent your enemy from moving, a groupmate of mine does that, it lets him beat anyone who isn't faster than his m1 since he will literally force them to hit themselves to death(if your curious about his team its water shark kisame susano itachi hokage tsunade, if you arent faster he will eat all your chakra so you have to queue your myst right away and hope he doesnt crit you since that will interupt even an immune ninja and he can do that every round).

you keep saying fire is stronger than it should be vs water, but if you use that same anbu itachi shisui main masked man team but replace the fire main with lightning then guess what, that lightning main gives your uchihas immunity and restsiance for 2 rounds plus bonus dmg and healing, so it hits harder cant be cced for 2 rounds and gets hit for less, and you want to complain about that team being too strong with fire when lightning makes it even better?

@Scarlettblue I am literaly the only fire main in my spacetime bracket's top 16 for the past 4+ months, we had lightning earth water, no wind that i remember and me as the only fire because i like fire more and have the power to force it to do well.

no one at the top tiers uses fire unless they REALLY prefer playing as a fire main, the reason for that is simple, fire has the 2nd weakest kit at the moment, wind is the only weaker one because it has only 1 useful talent and that's dance. and at the top tiers we can choose if we want to win or to have fun cause we have the power to win 90% of the time while doing something *.