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On 2018-01-17 06:23:48Show All Posts
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I'm surprised you didn't post a team with Water Main, Jonin Minato, Jigokudo, Pakura

With position that looks like

Jigokudo
Water Main Pakura Jonin Minato

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On 2018-01-17 09:53:55Show All Posts
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  • ICExx On 2018-01-17 08:11:09
  • You are right, Jonin Minato is actually better in that team, I'll edit the description.



    About the positioning they are all personal preference and depend on what your enemy uses and your tactics stats.

Well the positioning is what I saw in arena and only ran into that same person a few times :p But as long as the orders are correct its fine!

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On 2018-01-18 20:01:43Show All Posts
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  • Zelgadis~ On 2018-01-18 19:18:50
  • Jonin minato when there's a ninja that let you use minato standard twice per round is never better than hokage minato.

    Doesn't matter that jonin can let you eventually use mystery every round. Hokage boost is sure, jonin is not and hokage scales way better than jonin with the boost. Yes, with hokage you don't link the chases but does it matter? The mystery in round 2, 4, 6 etc still make proc pakura chase and in the odd rounds you have pakura and main mystery to make it proc and never undervalue the resistance boost hokage grants, it's by itself worth more than the every round mystery of jonin, overall if you don't own initiative and if you are underpowered in comparison with your enemy.

    About team 5, pakura passive could target also naruto and kushina clones. Not the best possible outcome, overall if selects the eventually summoned two clones of kushina...

Actually, their boost is the same, Hokage Minato gains it on a passive that activates before an action.

Jonin Minato gains his boost on chase which he c*e 2x

The only difference is, Hokage Minato gains his boost against Super Armor while Jonin Minato won't gain it on super armor. However if a combo is started elsewhere you can still get the boosts all the same.

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On 2018-01-19 09:33:08Show All Posts
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  • Garv On 2018-01-19 01:53:24
  • Maybe you didn't think about the following cases:

    If jonin minato is paralysed never gets any boost since can't trigger a combo. If hokage is paralysed doesn't change anything for him.

    If jonin minato is in front of an evading ninja doesn't get the chance to deliver the 6 combos and so to reduce the cd of the mystery and so to start the combo if is the only available ninja that could do it. Hokage minato in this case still get two boosts thanks to pakura, jonin 0.

    If jonin minato is in front of a super armor ninja needs to start the combo with mystery otherwise don't get the boost. Hokage minato in this case still get two boosts even if is acupunctured or if there's 0 chakra available.


    In general what Zelgadis says is that's way easier for jonin minato to not be at 96% boost in round 4 than for hokage if both are together with pakura.

    the only situation where hokage gets less boosts than jonin is if both of them are blinded and jonin chase is linked to another ninja that is in the condition to let him chase twice, but if jonin is blinded the cd of the mystery doesn't get reduced, so the bigged boost has to be compared to the missing resistance boost jonin doesn't have, so more or less even in this case hokage slightly wins since grants more survivalability to the whole team.

    Seems to me right to say that a furthermore big advantage of hokage in comparison with jonin that Zelgadis forgot to say is that if hokage is in front of evading ninjas the free attacks he lands with the passive can let the evasion proc before using the mystery itself. It's not a little advantage nowadays, overall in close battles where you are left with 1-2 ninjas vs 1-2 ninjas. Hokage is sure to deliver the damage earlier even without owning initiative.

    What i'm saying is, lets say you are left with hokage minato vs an higher initiative shisui, masked man or jonin minato in a 1vs1 battle. If minato is boosted enough to nuke them with mystery even if you don't own initiative you kill the enemy while with jonin you don't do it.

Considering you're playing a Water Main as well as having Jigokudo (which will heal 2 ninjas 2x due to pakura) (The line up Zel was referring to as well) Minato is never going to be paralyzed for a long period of time or any other forms of CC. Also I talked about super armor obviously dodge ninjas was also implied. On top of that, Pakura lets Jonin Minato attack 2x which most ninjas that dodge can only dodge 1 attack. Therefore jonin minato will still gain the boost from his chases.

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