* so much off topic and none saying clearly when; i will give my opinion, i expect it to come somewhere in the january-february zone and to clarify some ppl,if it was THAT bad how you guys say it is then not many would still play china let's be real there will be other ways of geting stuff,and if a spender uses ingots on plunder/convoy go ahead,if he has that many ingots that he can waste on those then there would be no chance for me to have a competition with him,plunder or not