I really don't want to resort to that. It is so popular that everybody sets up specifically to counter it.

Also here are my recent attempts. Tried minato for awhile but couldn't make it work.

https://imgur.com/a/SDOuB

Sage was today. I tried the new lineup and ended up losing to a person with 20k less power. I had 63k and they had 43k. They were just using fire main with hashirama, sage naruto, and iruka. Seems like every lineup I come up with loses to people far weaker and I've gotten nowhere. Desperately need a better lineup.

https://i.imgur.com/r0gQWUC.jpg

Thanks sw0. I will give it a try next pvp event and report back. Seems to do alright in arena.

I've also been using a new lineup that seems like a bit of an improvement:

https://i.imgur.com/Hk3rQn7.jpg

3-2-4-3-2 Chameleon. Works with chaos chase but the added survivability seems to help more.

Nvm, still really bad. Can't even hold its own against lightning, anyone with roshi, or anyone with sage naruto.

Thanks. I will try to get gaara or naruto in the near future