charms or ninja, also BA if you like to dress up your char, but charms are priority if you don't have level 3 on all equips yet

So you dont think the advance refinments are worth it?

i am lv73 and have all refine lv5. charms 3 characters lv4 and 1 all lv 3.

i have enough points to get summer youth sai. what would be the best choice to get power? the cloth or charms?

Get the Clothing hands down.

Why? any math to show its the best value?

Multiply 25x50= 1250 points required for the clothing.

so what you are saying is the clothing is not the most value in this exchange

No bro just showing you how many points you need to get it and it does have value. If you want power go for refines, clothing, and charms pack.

i just want the best value in takign in to consideration coupon value/ rarity of items given. So far i know the purple refines are worth more than the clothing based on your value on the cloth frags vs teh purple refines

I know what you mean bro i'm in the same boat lol don't know if i should go all in for the clothing or refines because i don't wanna spend all my coupons on the clothing without getting the whole 50 frags.

yeah dude clothing is kinda just a side thing i pick up when i have nothing else to get like the summer cloths in the world tree thing . not sure clothing is really worth it compared to the other things

2 Adv refine for 20 pt: 76 value for 20 pt, or 3.8 per pt

1 charm pack for 35 pt, 125 value for 35 pt, or 3.57 per pt

From this, adv refine is better than charms.

That said, i like doing the 250 rebate for charms every month, so If I were short (I'm not btw), I'd grab a few charms. Otherwise, refine > charm (also there are a LOT more source for charm pack then for adv refine atm)

As far as armor goes, let's make it simple: if you are over 75k, get the clothing. Otherwise, get refine/charm.

I would advice AGAINST getting the refine pack for med/low refine. Quite frankly, those are fairly easy to saturate. Medium refine is the primary choice for monthly exchange, so you get quite a steady supply. As soon as your move one is "done" with medium refine, you should not focus as much on it as the other ninja init, while useful, is significantly less so. I, as a ftp, now only have 3 pieces of gear at lv 6 refine, rest are all 7 or higher. And I have 150 medium refine sitting in my inventory--because it's not enough to reach the next rebate tier and I'm out of adv to take advantage of the wish credit. So I will keep those at 6 until the next month, where they can be used as fodders for rebate as well as boosters for adv refine.

Ninja... Well... that depends on if you already have an idea for a team that you KNOW will be better than your current one and any one you can make in the foreseeable future "for free". That's the only time when you should get ninja--when you know you need it.

Thanks friend :) that was a very good write up just what i was looking for