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- S81-Avacyn On 2017-10-24 06:16:17
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I think you are misunderstanding the basic attack of the Lightning Main... It ignores defences like Hinatas Mystery, Neji Taunt or First row puppet protections.
Remember that isn't so on all the LM standard attacks.
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- skitza On 2017-10-24 17:13:30
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midnight blade can turn 1 kill any ninja in the game , if he counters them , such as a earth ninja he kills that earth tank and procceds to kill the next in line
Lightning > Earth
Wind > Lightning
Water > Fire
Fire > WindEarth > Water
Keep in mind Lightning Main is most effective when it has more power than you.
(Also Hinata stops LM turn 1)
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- skitza On 2017-10-25 15:22:17
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well no it depends what basic attack he has , and she doesnt have a 100% chance to deflect the attack
Most of the time LM is either going 1 of 2 standards. The one for increased crits and chance to cause knockdown and attacking the lowest life ninja with a chance to cause High Float. Hardly anyone runs the 1st Standard Attack.
Also from what I seen, 90% of the time LM can't touch her when her mystery is up.
I also highly doubt you had YOUR Kimimaro get taken down by LM weaker than you. Especially when he generally blocks the 1st attack on him which increases his defense and resistance by 7% or 8% and keeps increasing reducing the damage the LM would do especially if they have less power.
But you forget about 1 thing, Tanks are reliant on their support. They have to have a healer for them to function at their best. Especially with tanks that scale. You can't run 3 DPS and a Tank and expect the Tank to live long. -
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- Moondew On 2017-10-25 20:42:47
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I have seen quite a few (and I too, personally) run the first standard for not as much to ignore taunt, but simply for chase purposes. (The ignore taunt comes as a bonus for me, really) On the other hand, I hardly see people run the standard targeting lowest hp, most likely due to the fear of targeting clones and essentially wasting your first turn and pretty much all your damage potential.
I see people (On my server) Run the double attack talent instead of RoW, which when they kill a clone they can attack again and they keep going til all clones are generally dead. Of course they have other ninjas on their team to buff so they wouldn't chase on clones.
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Just to compare Roshi's Growth Stats with Kimimaro this way we can actually use facts to determine if a ninja is a tank or not.
Roshi:
Life - 1748
Attack- 1153
Defense - 995
Ninjutsu - 1501
Resistance - 995Kimimaro (posting 5 star first then the 4 star version):
Life - 2291
Attack - 1398
Defense - 1575
Ninjutsu - 522
Resistance - 1031
Life - 2100
Attack - 1282
Defense - 1443
Ninjutsu - 478
Resistance - 945
Since there is about a 100-200 growth difference, just take off say 200 for a 3 star variant.
Kimimaro is superior to Roshi as a tank with Roshi being squishier in the defense department. However Roshi would have more Resistance, but Kimimaro scales his resistance and defense. With Roshi being under 1k, I wouldn't classify him as a tank. He can't tank anything when he flat out dies to LM with buffs from other ninjas. -
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- Tobei On 2017-10-26 02:36:06
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The argument wasn't against Kimimaro.
Please re-read.Kimimaro scales, just as Roshi does. The only statement I've said to determined Kimmaro it would be "Roshi scales harder than Kimimaro" Which is factual as Kimimaro does 7-8%. Roshi's Ninjutsu/Defense is roughly at 12-13% ba
sed on values. Additionally, Roshi self-sustains. Growths are absolutely great, and I would've used it as an argument point, but I felt like someone would use it and twist it. Thanks for doing the hard work!
So, let me put it this way to end this opinionated debate.
If Roshi survives T1, you've arguably got the best "bruiser/tank" in the game. As for "True tank" I'll remain with my opinion that characters with scaling Defense/Res are the best of that nature.
Kimimaro and Jirobo are the "true tanks", with Roshi being below them.
However, Gaara, Han, etc. They're not true tanks.
I know the argument wasn't against Kimimaro, its more of the fact he is considered a true tank vs someone like Roshi who can become a tank the longer he lives.
Also I didn't want to bring up how much they scale by because I didn't know how much Roshi scales. So thanks for that information!
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