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On 2017-10-06 01:09:33Show All PostsDescending Order
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So this just happened.


Gratz to me right?Not really when I was one of those who decided to buy Kirin from an event last year (which cost me an arm and a leg)


Shouldn't their be a system in place to prevent such things from happening? It really discourages me and I guess other players who choose to spend heavy into some of hese events only to pull a dupe later on. Or even better, give us an options box with either (KOH/Kirin) as a choice.


Will I be cashing out on 288k pts worth of runes for KOH? or work towards another 2k sum seals pulls? Prob not & never

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On 2017-10-06 01:28:12Show All Posts
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-10-06 01:11:11
  • A lot of the purchase options are not pay to get exclusive but pay to get early, I think the problem here is that you misunderstood and have the wrong expectations.

    You said last year, that means you got at least 9 month of early use out of it, that sounds reasonable.

During the early stages of the game, most of us were not even aware Kirin was an exclusive 2k pull in Sum Treasures.

Our knowledge and understanding is KOH was the exclusive pull.

It wasn't until much later I found out that Kirin is a possible pull, however not very common and frequent as KOH.


Regarding "got at least 9 month of early use out of it, that sounds reasonable", I would argue against this.

The cost they set it at in the event, the cost of 2k seals, and the use of Kirin does not make it reasonable in any way.


What I suggested is a simple solution and win-win scenario for both OAS and players.

I guess the purpose of this thread is more of a rant, but also my suggestion in a fix to this however it is just my opinion on this matter, and you may disagree.

*The shop price for KOH & Kirin is set at 288k & 192k pts respectively.





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On 2017-10-06 01:40:10Show All Posts
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  • Waka_Man On 2017-10-06 01:22:02
  • I know that feeling, tho mine is not heavy as yours. I'm buying Serpent fragments for so long just to have it, and when i reached 78 fragments, 2 more fragments to get it. Then tadaaa! I pulled it when I drew ten. Converted into Summoning Points that is not equal for what I spent. :|

Yea I know the feeling although on a much smaller scale than my case.

I was just trying to get out, stuff like this would heavily discourage paying players to pay for ninjas/sum in events if they're just going to pull a dupe later on.

Would I spend $800 to buy Ay this week if i'm going to get a dupe in Kage treasures? Would it hurt for them to put in option packs on each treasure?

Perhaps OAS hopes players pull countless dupes and keeps spending. Although at some point when the pull counters 2k...some people may just give up entirely in my case.

Once again my comments may come off as a rant, but when that day comes for you, you would be thinking no different.

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On 2017-10-06 02:40:17Show All Posts
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This has nothing to do with using my head over money.

Kirin was in an event last October/November when the majority of the community had no idea he would be a possible drop in Summon Treasures.

I didn't * my money this week and bought 2k sum scrolls. It's something i've been ac*ulating since last September and obviously a pull I, and most people were looking forward to.


My example on Ay is a bad one. I just don't understand why OAS even puts Kirin on par as a 2k pull Summon when they clearly value KOH at 50% more (based off shop pts value). Put in an options pack for Sum Treasures, or put in the darn list of possible pulls so people are aware of what's in there. Problem solved and you won't see posts like these again.

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On 2017-10-06 02:45:27Show All Posts
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  • Zathroth On 2017-10-06 02:34:39
  • I fully agree with PraiseLuka. What you could be mad at though, is the ammount of coins you received for duplicated kirin. 4k looks like a joke, considering his frags cost 6.7 times more than any other rare summon. When you pull a dupe rare, you get coin equivalent of 11 his frags, with kirin you got 1,3 frag value. I'd asume you'd get at least 10-20k coins. For me, thats the reason to get mad.

Good suggestion. A regular rare pull is 4000 pts or 13.89% of the shop value (4000/28800).

Kirin going by this ratio should give 26667 pts (13.89% of 192000 pts), so yes this is also something to be disappointing on.

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On 2017-10-07 04:38:46Show All Posts
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  • DashFaster On 2017-10-06 10:07:04
  • So its 2000+ for them, right now, I'm redeeming my runes to get KOH every chance I get.

Yes, i've been keep tracking of my pull counter, it's roughly around the 2000 mark.

You will surely get your KOH before the the 2k pull if you're redeeming your runes and I hope you don't have my misfortune and pull a duplicate KoH by then :)


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On 2017-10-07 04:40:38Show All Posts
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  • Mass On 2017-10-06 12:05:00
  • Sir, you speak with truth, like i said before only ppl who dont know what they are doing or really rich ppl will spend in cloud treasure ninjas atm, we gotta make em rush the treasure already no excuses, and for kira, i mean u could see all it did was 2 combos so...even then i dont think it was worth it...sad to see that u got a dupe tho.


I honestly had no idea. Didn't buy Kirin for the extra chase, that wasn't the intention.

I just *ly thought it was an exclusive event summon (similar to Guy's Tortoise).

The game lacks information in that sense. I mean if they want us to spend THAT much on something, then tell us what we can get out of it...

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On 2017-10-07 04:42:31Show All Posts
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  • JustSaying On 2017-10-06 14:34:02
  • I feel you pain dude, but don't expect any sympathy from this community;they will hate you for having money. Would be nice if they gave points equal to summons value(at least for koh and kirin). Giving 80 frags for dupe super rares like Ay or Susanoo Sasuke is a good idea....hope oasis can implement this.

Na def not from the community, although wanted to give everyone a heads up on what to expect.

I for one will not vouch for anyone who wants to spend on Kirin or KoH should they pop up in an event.

Like what you said, at least for a Ninja dupe, you'll get some extra frags which is useful. But 4000 pts for a 2k pull is pretty sad :(

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On 2017-10-07 04:47:56Show All Posts
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  • Attac an Respec On 2017-10-06 03:12:23
  • I don't wanna be that guy but come on seriously you had No idea what so ever that kirin was gonna be in summon treasure? I me*l it takes is watching 1 youtube video about summons in CN or even germany, for example I was really crazy about getting A but by watching a few videos and asking around in the forums I found out that not only is A not worth the 30k ingots that oasis is asking for in the recent events but that 90% of his treasure is going to be common ninjas in GNW treasure so I changed my mind.

When you don't know Chinese, or not even aware this game's main version is based off a Chinese version then you're out of luck on this sort of knowledge.

*I tried to dig around on Youtube just now, can't find anything off Naruto Online China explaining summon pulls. I may look * for this post but this was a mistake made on my part close to a year ago, and during that time period this game was still in the early stages with minimal lack of knowledge for the future updates and content. Perhaps this is the very reason OAS ceased to offer Kirin regularly across events for this very reason.

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On 2017-10-07 04:54:47Show All Posts
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  • veelocity On 2017-10-06 03:47:56
  • On your side of the argument, it is easily feasible to be disappointed. For the longest time I remember that Kirin only was pullable through frags. This was also stated by Oasis moderators as well. I guess in the past he could've been viewed as obtainable through the same methods of Susanoo Itachi. Hence the reason they put that summon in events. It was understood that KOH was an exclusive pullable 2k scrolls summon. I'm not sure when they decided to make Kirin a full summon in the treasure but this must've been an update dealing with 3.0

    Now, on the flip side of this argument, I would never purchase anything obtainable through shop coins. That's just me personally. Sure Kirin has one of the sickest animations and rarest chases, but ingame currency deterred me from that purchase altogether. Am I saying you spent your money improperly? Not t all. You make it, so spend it as you will. I always preach to my group or other people who spend, that you have to have patience in this game. I don't know much about Chinese seals and summons so I will leave it out of this. Spending though you have to always consider why a business does what it does. Susanoo Itachi for the longest was obtainable through sheer luck of the slot machine and crossing fingers hoping you get 2 frags in treasures. Now he is obtainable through feast wheel at almost half off of his original price point or more. Granted it is ingot only frag purchase but for those who did buy seal scrolls to get him were screwed like a pooch. I bought Mabui and she was released a couple months later as a COMMON. I was torn and may have easily been the dumbest purchase I've ever made in this game lol. My thing is, this game is always changing. Having things early is exciting but not always worth it.

    Solutions:

    Add an optional choice of a super rare-This could be applied to both seals and summons. This should only happen if you have the the respective ninjas or summons tht are supers so you don't end up with a dupe.

    Provide more points and frags- I feel like if you double up on a super rare it should be more rewarding. The baseline 4000 is unacceptable to be honest. It should consist of a 25% increase on the store price as summon points receivable.

    Transparency-Not many people are aware that he is pullable. If you do have knowledge of this, Kirin is still one of the rarer pulls between him/her and KOH.


Agree completely with you. No one I know to my knowledge was even aware that Kirin could be pulled as a full Summon, and we only believed there would be a rare chance to get partial frags of it (similar to Susanoo Itachi). With KoH's popping up left and right over the last half year, this is the expectation most players have.

If the game was more transparent over these things from the start, these sort of threads would cease to exist.

Now that you mention 3.0, did they change the Summon Seals banner? I don't recall ever seeing Kirin on the art cover.

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On 2017-10-07 05:02:59Show All Posts
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  • veelocity On 2017-10-06 03:47:56
  • On your side of the argument, it is easily feasible to be disappointed. For the longest time I remember that Kirin only was pullable through frags. This was also stated by Oasis moderators as well. I guess in the past he could've been viewed as obtainable through the same methods of Susanoo Itachi. Hence the reason they put that summon in events. It was understood that KOH was an exclusive pullable 2k scrolls summon. I'm not sure when they decided to make Kirin a full summon in the treasure but this must've been an update dealing with 3.0

    Now, on the flip side of this argument, I would never purchase anything obtainable through shop coins. That's just me personally. Sure Kirin has one of the sickest animations and rarest chases, but ingame currency deterred me from that purchase altogether. Am I saying you spent your money improperly? Not t all. You make it, so spend it as you will. I always preach to my group or other people who spend, that you have to have patience in this game. I don't know much about Chinese seals and summons so I will leave it out of this. Spending though you have to always consider why a business does what it does. Susanoo Itachi for the longest was obtainable through sheer luck of the slot machine and crossing fingers hoping you get 2 frags in treasures. Now he is obtainable through feast wheel at almost half off of his original price point or more. Granted it is ingot only frag purchase but for those who did buy seal scrolls to get him were screwed like a pooch. I bought Mabui and she was released a couple months later as a COMMON. I was torn and may have easily been the dumbest purchase I've ever made in this game lol. My thing is, this game is always changing. Having things early is exciting but not always worth it.

    Solutions:

    Add an optional choice of a super rare-This could be applied to both seals and summons. This should only happen if you have the the respective ninjas or summons tht are supers so you don't end up with a dupe.

    Provide more points and frags- I feel like if you double up on a super rare it should be more rewarding. The baseline 4000 is unacceptable to be honest. It should consist of a 25% increase on the store price as summon points receivable.

    Transparency-Not many people are aware that he is pullable. If you do have knowledge of this, Kirin is still one of the rarer pulls between him/her and KOH.


Good suggestion. See no reason for OAS not to change the current system as such mentioned.

I still love mine Kirin though. Looks awesome & crashes down like a beast and sometimes even shakes the screen :)

My dillema now is if I should cash out on 288k worth of runes for the KoH. I don't see myself saving up another 2k pulls (that's oughta take another year or more) and perhaps only to get disappointed again with another Kirin pull :( Honestly if I knew earlier, I would've saved my summon points and saved on 20% of the pts value.

*We should also get an update to downgrade our runes. In my case I'd have to sell off a L9 set, only to be left with 2 L8 sets and a L3-4 set off recent pulls...

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