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On 2017-08-05 14:38:06Show this Author OnlyDescending Order
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Ok, I understand that you don't always get a level after using a handful of charms, but 29/30 used just trying to get to lvl 3??? I did 6 charms per category this morning and didn't get any levels either and some of those were level 1s... Is this normal and I just have horrible luck?

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And 1 more question. Do you guys think it's more beneficial to use charms to get everything to level 2 and then go for lvl 3s for rainbows or just use all the charms on 1 items until it's lvl 3 then go to the next ninja?





This post was last edited by Brandenlol on 2017-08-05 14:38:06.
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On 2017-08-05 15:26:04Show this Author Only
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Let me tell you about how MMO Rng works.

The most basic RNG system, which is used in 99% of MMO's out there, works by adding or subtracting a number from the seed. As to not bother you with technicalities too much imagine that the seed is a dot slooowly traveling through your wish bar. if your wish credits catch up to that dot, you will get a level up. In your case when you were trying to enhance the dot sat at the very very end of the scale.

How is that helpful in any way? Well as I said the dot travels on the wish bar, there may be limits to where it can be in some things, however Charms, at least on low levels, do not have that limit. The dot travels between 1 and 30.
So let's say you do not want to use many charms leveling your gear, you have to come back to it, and try every now and than, but do not commit too much, do not try to level it up right now. IF you get a level up at 1 - 2 wish credits QUICK level up as many items as you can, it will last only for a short moment, in few short moments you will need 3, 4 ,5 and then it will (usually) escape further and further.

Also the seed is same for all charms, however difficulty of upgrading charms raises with level, so if you get a level of 1/30 you can be sure you will be able to very easily upgrade to level 3 in next 20 seconds, and it does mean upgrading high levels will also be easier, but it does not mean you will be able to upgrade your high level item, as the same number that means pass on level 3 may mean failed on level 6 etc.


As for spreading your charms, keep them evenly on level, except your high initiative items, this has right to be leveled higher th*l others.





This post was last edited by TakafumiNaito on 2017-08-05 15:26:55.
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On 2017-08-05 17:18:55Show this Author Only
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For the records, there are people who actually filled the wish bar, that is to say things like 30/30.

No, full wish bar is not auto upgrade, full wish bar is guarantee next one to be successful.


You need enough lv 3 charms so that you do not have a lv 6 or higher rainbow magatama, as there is serious diminishing returns for high lv magatama. Beyond that, even level up is fine.

If you complete all the ultimate training, you should be able to get most things to 3.

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On 2017-08-05 23:11:15Show this Author Only
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On 2017-08-05 23:55:34Show this Author Only
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Not sure about charms, but I've seen this in refine. Maybe it's an coincidence but before the event it was pretty easy, during event its harder to lvl up 1 item.

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On 2017-08-06 01:30:59Show this Author Only
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  • pixmarko On 2017-08-05 23:55:34
  • Not sure about charms, but I've seen this in refine. Maybe it's an coincidence but before the event it was pretty easy, during event its harder to lvl up 1 item.

Yeah, I have all lvl 3s on my main and some on my other ninja and the wish bar never got over half full doing those. Then the event happens and I've used over 30 charms to upgrade lvl 1s and 2s and not 1 level up...

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On 2017-08-06 02:11:32Show this Author Only
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Its not unlucky, i'm sure they lower the rates during the rebate events.


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On 2017-08-06 02:34:53Show this Author Only
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  • Brandenlol On 2017-08-06 01:30:59
  • Yeah, I have all lvl 3s on my main and some on my other ninja and the wish bar never got over half full doing those. Then the event happens and I've used over 30 charms to upgrade lvl 1s and 2s and not 1 level up...

LOL in refining my gear to level 8 from level 7, I had 0/200 and it used 197 advanced refines to level 8!, Charms ive had the same experience with the amount taking nearly all of the wish bar 36/40 - 29/30 etc... Thy must definitely lower the rates. It seems that we should know how much by since it may be more cost effective to buy them in events and level them up after the event :))

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On 2017-08-06 10:11:43Show this Author Only
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Wait till you get that 30/30. Happened to me yesterday. It's all RNG based though.

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On 2017-08-06 10:20:18Show this Author Only
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  • Koncept On 2017-08-06 10:11:43
  • Wait till you get that 30/30. Happened to me yesterday. It's all RNG based though.

Me too, my lucky isn't the best sometimes xD While other times its the best.

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On 2017-08-06 15:35:43Show this Author Only
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i used to experience a lv 4/5 refine i forgot it goes 70/70 bless lol and it sux

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On 2017-08-06 21:01:47Show this Author Only
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It's all about the seed, all about the seed. I got all my level 2 and 3 and few 4 charms up, just with 2 - 3 charms used, until the seed escaped further away.

Every charm of the same level has the same chances of being upgraded, if you see that you are not upgrading an you are still putting charms into it it's your fault. RNG is a very flawed system, you need to use that to your advantage and spend large amounts of chars refines only when you are getting easy upgrades.

I assure you that at very least until level 5 you can get an upgrade with 1 - 3 charms used, just have to be patient and lucky to find the moment. It lasts only for some seconds, and takes hours and hours to come back. When you get the timing you can very clearly see the seed escaping, first 2 - 3 items will upgrade instantly, then they will need more and more charms used right before your eyes.

And no it is not impossible to get lucky outside of the timing, but waaaay less likely. The game is still adding or subtracting a random number from the seed, it's just that when the seed is in good place there is more numbers that result in level up.





This post was last edited by TakafumiNaito on 2017-08-06 21:02:49.
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On 2017-08-06 21:51:18Show this Author Only
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i can tell you something i noticed while leveling up those charms.

When i got a very late level up, like yours from level 2 to 3 at 29/30, then level 3 to 4 or level 4 to 5 were pretty early (except for headband that seems to be rigged).


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