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On 2017-07-19 06:29:39Show All Posts
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Hey there,

Before I tackle the question in hand, I'd like to voice an opinion here, which I'd say, convoy is much safer than plunder to do. For the sake of an example, let's * to SS convoy/plunder.
While convoying, you get at least 15 coupons for sure, if you manage to complete it without problem then 30. You are able to ask for a support of stronger player, and have guaranteed rewards, plus no consequences of doing convoy.
On the other hand, while doing plunder, there is a high chance of getting 0 coupons instead of 150, for the following reasons: You need to find SS convoy to plunder, which is not always so easy, and each convoy may be protected by someone stronger than you (unless you are top of the server).
Plunder takes much more time, high risk of getting nothing at all, and on top of that, after you complete plunder, you are at risk of losing coins due to red name. Of course there are ways to go around that, but it's still an inconvenience. Just a tiny touch to fini* off, you get 4 convoys, and 3 plunders. That means, there is always a way to go unplundered, if you find a right time to do so ^^

Personally, being in top 5 of server power ranking, I find plunder to be a waste of time and too much of a risk to go with.

That being said, I apologize for this rant-ish part of my answer, what concerns a drop rate of SS missions, I agree it may sometimes be lower, but at the same time, the time frame for it is not small.
Personally I often skip SS convoy because of lack of time, and just go with coins, which are almost never getting plundered, and much easier to get.
I appreciate the suggestion to increase the droprate of SS missions though, thanks for that ^^
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On 2017-07-19 07:32:04Show All Posts
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-07-19 06:44:24
  • Can't you (request to) do a log search to see the exact income distribution of plunder vs convoy?

    You and a number of others have often said that plunder is high risk and might not yield as much as people say. I find that only partially true, in that it would be true for many potential-plunderers. However, plunder is optional, not everyone who qualifies do it. For those that do in fact end up not profiting as much from it, they would probably switch to convoy at some point. So as it stands, anyone who still DO plunder should have a significantly higher coupon income.

    So I maintain that plunder is supremely profitable and safe for the select few who do it.

    But opinion are just that, opinions. You, however, have an opportunity to help prove it one way or another by mining server logs. So.... any chance you would do that?
I could try to do so, although I have no easy access to such data.
The best I could achieve is to ask for such information for groups on my server, but that would be a really narrow picture. I can't promise I will do it, because it depends on how successful my "datamining" would be, although the opinion I stated was from my own perspective.

It's true that many people do get higher income from plundering, but at the same time, they need to devote much more time to it. The perspective I've shown was my own experience of plunder being a really unpleasant activity to do, besides the "toxicity", that's basically nonexistant on my server.

So, to sum up, if I decide to do such an investigation, it will be a very limited information source, because my merger is not very big, we have only a few people that actually plunder, and a rather non-toxic environment that surrounds convoy/plunder overall, at least from my own experience.
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On 2017-07-19 07:59:48Show All Posts
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  • Benevolence On 2017-07-19 07:35:19
  • Well, with all this said. I do feel like something could definitely be done about convoy/plunder as a whole. Simply needs more time and ideas on the matter.
Thing is, that's just my personal opinion, but 1.0 convoy/plunder system was really good in my opinion.
I don't mind the current one at all, although doing convoy in pairs, as well as being able to do both convoy and plunder was really nice :)

That being said, if there are any suggestions for this situation, please let me know, I will forward them.
I can see that even if both systems are "not bad" in my eyes, it may be different for other players, so any feedback here is appreciated.
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On 2017-07-20 05:57:03Show All Posts
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  • Zelgadis~ On 2017-07-19 16:21:09
  • I'm top 10 in my server but mostly I'm able to beat all the other top10 except for two exceptions, one is in my group so doesn't matter, and one is in another group. Personally speaking i do convoys only and exclusively when i have no time to play because plundering takes a lot of real time, but when i plunder, regardless the fact my targets are supported or not, in the worst case i get 100 coupons, but happens very rarely. Most of the times - over 80% - i just get 150.
    I repeat I'm not the strongest in my server neither i am top5.
    Right now if your server is nicely populated and you manage to have an healthy gnw, so with 4+ groups that do it with close to even chance to win it, then plunder system is totally favourable to top10 people if they have the time to do it.
    There are close to zero risk to get the horrible outcome of 0 coupons gained and since most of the people think that even a single victory there is more worth than getting 15/30 coupons + 300/500k coins, and mostly are right to think so, then they continue to do it and, at most, do like me and select convoys only when they are in an hurry.
In my situation, which I described, right post-merge, I was about 9th in rankings, I believe, with 40-50k power range.
Our top 3 are 100k, 90k, and 84k (estimates). Those 3 people are in other group than me.
I do plunder, and all 3 tried are protected by them. That was my plunder record for first 2 weeks of the merged server. Now, when my server is just much "slower", although not "dead" per say yet, it just takes too much time to do plunder.

Where I'm going with it, it went from "fast but impossible = 0 coupons" to "slow, but maybe 50 coupons if I luck out and find someone".

The situation you describe could technically work, but it depends on where the rest of the top 10 is in the groups. I understand how it works for you, the situation I present is just my perspective of the system.
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