First place gets only 9. Although, my group just makes sure we give everyone who participates in war a pack before going around again, so it's just an issue of patience.

Everyone is also forgetting that you get 1,000 Group Coins and 63 contribution for every round. The packs are BONUSES in addition to the rewards given to every participant. Everyone here is asking for more, more, more instead of appreciating that they're getting EXTRA rewards for things you should already participate in. There are MMORPGs that don't even reward every participating member in their guild war systems.

Edit: Also the limit on packs, is so the strongest players don't just band together if they want packs (otherwise the top 54 P2W players would just form one group since they'll get "Participating packs" or whatever). The only thing that would matter is joining the strongest group which gets the most Legendary and Hero packs.

However, with our current system, the strong players may decide that 3 weeks+ is too long to receive a pack and decide to make their own group. The ideal situation is then, you would have 8 groups that have strength near each other and would compete for the #1 spot. This competition would not happen if "every participant got a pack."

This post was last edited by Lazyboi at 2016-9-11 15:27

See my reply above.

It takes me less than 15 minutes to type into an Excel Spreadsheet the times everyone participated, and then roll to see who gets a pack that hasn't gotten one yet. You have to do a little extra work? That's what being a leader means.

Patience is a virtue for those remaining 30, and they should be participating regardless of extra seal scrolls. Group Victories are essential for when the shops update, as well as contribution for group skills. If they don't want to wait, they can form their own group and try to get into the top 8 for packs themselves. That's what this system encourages.

Players getting "missed" is the fault of poor record keeping... If they claim they never got one, and you have do*ented properly, I trust a spreadsheet more than someone's memory.

Each person's "hard work" is rewarded already, why do BONUSES become entitlements?

I have yet to see any paying player quit because they didn't like the GNW Pack system. For one, to a paying player, the extra seal scrolls is nice, but who is going to quit over not getting 10 for a few weeks (considering they would have spent that much already).

If people aren't participating in war because of the packs, then they're missing out on free rewards to begin with. Why must it take Seal Scrolls to get people to participate in a war for their group, where they are still rewarded? What if Group War never had packs to begin with, and it was just winner gets the 25% bonus for *s? You think people would never show up to war? Or is it rather because there are limited bonuses, people are being greedy?

People that "easily quit" over something like this, are the same ones that would quit over "not getting enough updates." Impatient people would "easily quit" regardless. They do not contribute to a MMORPG's lifespan.

Even as a paying player, I don't buy Seal Scrolls. The ninjas I use are Tobi, Kakashi, GNW Neji, and Fire main (all obtainable for free). Saying "needs a fix" is a stretch.

New ninjas just take time to get. Updates and events will add more ninjas in the future (and in the shops). Getting ninjas from Seal Scrolls is for paying players to get them quicker. Even Tendo can be farmed on the Chinese server (watch ScionStorm).

We're getting updates quite fast, why not talk about the future updates? As for right now, You get a free draw every other day, so that's about 14 free draws per month. If your group has about 40 members during war, that's another at least 5 seal scrolls per month. You get 2 free from the client every 4 weeks. Survival Trial, getting top 3 in Sage Battlefield, and spending coupons, will pretty much get you enough to get a Rare ninja each month (on top of the ninjas you can obtain from sweeping, Deidara is in the new Elite Instance). There are only a few ninjas that are unobtainable as of right now without seal scrolls (which can then be obtained later on).

You're not thinking about the reason it is the way it is. The limited packs encourages competition, otherwise people could just flock into the top groups.

There IS incentive to participate in GNW. 1,000 Group Victories and 63 Contribution per round regardless of the outcome. If your group wins, you also get more funds and contribution during Group Convoy. You're asking for an increase to the BONUS. Sure, I wouldn't mind an increase in ratio, but I'm not going to call it a "broken system" if they don't.

Those people should be happy with getting Rares for FREE, otherwise, feel free to pay. What you're saying is to benefit players that don't support the game, because they want more. I try to think in terms of all views, free to play, paying player, AND the company that's running the game.

You can be competitive AND patient. If you want to compete with all the paying players, expect it to take a long time, OR pay yourself. Otherwise, why would players pay at all? You're thinking about it like a normal MMORPG. There is no "hard work," there's a limit on what people can do so everyone puts in the same effort or less.

How does limited packs discourage competition? Sure, the war itself is fun, but to do it purely for packs, is short-sighted. You're telling me we need to cater to people that don't plan for the future, are these the players that will keep this game alive?

I don't know about you, but the people aware that they already got a pack, still show up for our wars. Sounds like you just have selfish people in your group.

"Some groups don't know about the GNW." What does that even have to do with the packs? They either wanted to make their own group, don't care, or don't put any effort to learn about the game. I've talked to plenty of these group leaders on my server to encourage them to start recruiting or merge. Some do, some don't, but hey I tried.
Also, a reminder that the top EIGHT groups get packs, if the top 2 groups have a ton of P2W or if your server isnt healthy enough, you can still get 10 packs a week.
This post was last edited by Lazyboi at 2016-9-15 01:07

Ironic that you would accuse me of not understanding or reading, when you clearly didn't read or fully understand my posts. Where did I say that packs must be given to the lucky few? Our system ensures everyone will get a pack once before a person receives a second pack. Where did I mention leader, except for to the OP that was complaining about doing extra work to distribute the packs? I'm not refuting your entire thread, in fact, I would rather approve if they increased the number of packs. Worry about yourself.

You realise that you can save your money and use it to strengthen your equipment if you get extra group contribution right? It's not useless, although I'll admit it's not amazing either. Group Victories are pretty useless? I assume you paid to get all your refines up to advanced runes then, and think f2p players dont need them? Who said anything about Kisame, but I'll certainly get 5-star Konan when she comes out.

You also forget only the top 2 Groups get 5k, the lower ones may even only get 2k. "Hard work" for showing up to a group event where you get rewards and benefit your group. You must not have played any other MMORPG with a guild system. I am in the strongest group on Server 6. My members understand that it takes patience to get a pack, and are content with the coins and contribution. You must be in a pretty selfish and entitled group. I pity how much stress that must generate onto you as their leader.

How is me refuting someone complaining about doing extra work to record participation and distribute packs *? Did you even read what I was replying to? I wonder how many people actually are loyal to you as a leader with that attitude? (Btw, I don't think we've ever lost in the GNW finals because my members show up WITHOUT needing a pack)

Of course not, and that's why it encourages competition. My members are quite excited for upcoming updates and store their Group Victories or use them to increase their refinement. The packs are a nice BONUS. You're again missing my point that they are bonuses. If you view it in terms of, if there was no incentive aside from the +25% convoy funds and contribution, along with the rewards of the war, would people think it's useless and not show up?

If my members wish to make a separate group, they are welcome to. Yet, no one has done that, you know why? Because they like the way we do things and how we communicate and interact with each other. My group helps each other and doesn't need incentives to do so. I wonder if you'll even be here when the servers merge months from now to laugh. I hope you still will be :).

And again, I'm all for more packs, more rewards for active players, but I'm not going to criticize a system I believe works as intended. Compared to the past Guild systems I've encountered, Naruto Online has taken an interesting approach and I commend it for that. Is it perfect? No, but no system is, and I recognize a system for both its rewards and faults, not just its faults. There's plenty of GOOD feedback and criticism on this thread. I was addressing the people that complained without providing a solution (in case you skimmed through my posts and didn't fully read and understand it).

I'm not sure if you could come off any more condescending or *. For one, there's a difference between "reading words" and comprehending the context and meaning of my posts. I assume you're either young or didn't learn anything from your english classes. We keep drawing for the people who HAVEN'T gotten a pack, so yes a lucky few get it, but then the rest will get it next time. Would more packs be better? Yes, and I have stated this multiple times, but you seem to be narrow minded and can't comprehend I'm not refuting the ENTIRE post. I was specifically refuting certain posts (maybe read who I was replying to).

Secondly, if you DON'T donate, you c*e the coins to upgrade your gear (which at level 76, is 200K+ per upgrade). Unless you're a p2w and top in the world boss of your server, the extra contribution means, you have extra coins to strengthen gear (this is for the f2p players that you're hypocritically forgetting about, 95% a random statistic for you?). Again, you're forgetting the Medium Refines, that all players need (except the P2W that spent on refinements, even the heavy ones on my server don't have it to level 7).

It wasn't an insult, it was an insight. If you understood how innovative the approach Naruto Online took for the Group Wars, you might appreciate it. What do my members have to do with anything? Your video means nothing, as it was posted a month ago. Feel free to show how much participation you still have. What makes you think I care about the ingots you can give me? I don't go around condescendingly talk about how much money I have, but you can trust that I don't need yours.

And? You make it sound like you should be patted on the back for doing something ALL leaders should do. Coming from the guy who wanted a "Kage Medal," you seem to just want the benefits for yourself and the P2W players. I don't see you making any other suggestions (like back when Aristeaus made his thread) to help the "95%" of players you're looking out for.

A settler? That's new, but you seem to be mistaking your greed for ambition. Life will teach you that lesson eventually. You assume I would be okay with 1 Group Contribution because I complimented on how the system has static rewards (that are useful to 95% of players) and a bonus? More name-calling and * assumptions... I'm not sure what makes you think you're a good leader (considering this is your first MMORPG), but hey, maybe you were in DECA like me and learned leadership qualities.

I am going to point out once again (since you keep misunderstanding or are just plain * to it) that I AGREE that more packs would be more fair. Why would I just disagree with more rewards for no reason? You also do realise that OasisGames is limited on how much of the CORE game they can change right? I want them to look at this thread and gather the positive feedback, not to go through 13 pages of "THIS SYSTEM IS BROKEN. PLS FIX." That's what bothers me the most, when people don't give constructive criticism and just complain (which are the people I refute, and I've lost count on how many times I have to mention this because you're just not getting it). This post was last edited by Lazyboi at 2016-9-16 14:25

I said it multiple times that I don't disagree with adding more packs, as it would obviously be more fair and there would be more incentive to join the smaller groups to compete (if they have leftover packs, and the big groups don't have enough packs).

Of course, no game is perfect, that's why we're here on the forums trying to suggest improvements and our concerns (also awesome that they take our feedback and try to give us what we want, most companies don't care). I was referencing to how you said that groups were getting destroyed by this system before, so if your members are still showing up, that would refute your own argument. I don't really care as I've looked at your Group on your server rankings, 3rd place with most power means, most of your members didn't show up.

"Let's check out the video I posted, and see if you can even come close to 42 participations.. If so send me a video, I might even recharge on your account." You didn't forget this condescending post did you? Maybe open up another tab, so you don't appear *. A Kage medal would further the gap between p2w and f2p (which I am firmly against). I was pointing out that your claim to want to help 95% of players is moot if your suggestions benefit the 1%-5% of players (except for this thread, although you'd indirectly benefit from extra packs anyways).

Playing other MMORPG games has nothing to do with what I said. It has to do with your insult that unless someone asks for more, they are a "settler." That view is narrow minded and mistaken. Instead, knowing what to ask for and improve (as the mods have mentioned, they can't change much of the core game, but can help us out with events) is the best approach. Suggestions or constructive feedback never hurts, but the majority of people that are just complaining do (which again, are the people I originally posted about).

I'm not going to bother comparing the difference in our experience (let's just say I've been playing since 2000). You don't know how much they make or how many staff they have on hand that they have to pay (not going to add server costs in and etc, and we both know how many servers they have). Again, if they do add extra rewards, I'm all for that.

It's irritating to have you throw insults when you don't understand my posts (and subsequent posts reminding you about how I don't disagree with this thread in general). What leader doesn't want to benefit his group? Anything that could be improved that hasn't been suggested, I would gladly make a thread for. I'm glad I finally got my point through.

Edit: It's awesome to have mods that are listening to our suggestions and actively fighting for them (which is why I don't want them to feel unappreciated).

This post was last edited by Lazyboi at 2016-9-17 05:11

My bad then, indeed I was making an assumption. We're all human and I'll admit to my mistakes. I never said that the system was perfect. I was merely pointing out its benefits, in addition to what could be improved.

I threw mine in response to yours, but I'll admit I'm not perfect (when people insult me, I don't just bottle it in). I'm glad we can have a heated debate, but also return to a calm civil discussion. I know you didn't and your intentions with this thread is to benefit the entire community, but there are people that are hindering yours and everyone's useful suggestions with complaints on the forum, which are the ones that make me reply.

The leaders of your group clearly don't value their members enough to take a pack for themselves every week. If I were you, I would start talking with your fellow unsatisfied members into joining a more fair group, or creating your own. My group does exactly as you suggest, and we make sure everyone gets a pack before handing out packs to people who have already got them.