I had the same problem. I am the leader of S55 Oblivion. After the server merge a new group came over called Uchiha Clan. Their first move was to take all the strong players from all the merged servers to make one single power group. They even absorbed 2 whole groups in the process.

We would get destroyed in GNW with no chance of winning. We even merged with a smaller group to try and give us a better chance but it didn't help. Eventually even our strongest player AssumedParasite got annoyed and joined them.

Things were looking grim, but as the leader I had to bring moral back somehow, so I just stopped focusing on GNW. I engaged with the group more to make a friendlier environment that people liked to be in. Players stopped getting on solely to play the game, and more to hang out with everyone. We do movie nights every now and then, talk about anything and everything, and generally just be friends.

Eventually another group that was dying merged in with us, and Uchiha started to die. Now we beat them almost every week!


So my advice would be this!

1. Build a community that is not so much focused on the GNW
2. Talk with the leaders of some smaller groups to see if they would merge (sometimes numbers > power)

Yeah, that's something I wish to do. Sadly we've yet to have a server merge, so trying to talk to even the smallest of groups doesn't seem like a thing. Any new player that comes to the server, or those lesser groups have already been *ed into our rival group.

So far I've tried taking a more friendly approach, not caring so much about GNW and all that. The difference is very meager, but it's progress I suppose. We've been them one time despite our numbers and lack of power just on tactics alone and it seemed to be a big moral booster, but just last night we lost against because the rival group seemed to double their numbers.

Honestly, I've just been yearning to lead or be part of an active group that has most of the qualities yours does. As envious as I am, I have to work with what I got.

Here is what I suggest, try to get your group just to show up to GNW for group currency. Then focus on building a relationship with each and everyone in your group and make it as friendly as possible, I been on a few servers and a lot of groups I was in, never had anyone chatting in-game. Make people want to join your small community for the friendly environment. And eventually you'll gain more members and more power.

Yeah, that's a good idea. So far, even in my original server, there's never been so much social chat. Thing is our world chat is empty as it is already. Most chatter that goes on is asking for TI partners and such. Though maybe I could give more of an effort. Thanks.

Cave in and merge with the rival group. Those who cannot enter the one group active should avoid running convoy until the server is merged or the top group have space for them. If your server is merged and a group after the merge is stronger than the one that is now, join that group. Cause honestly, even after a merge the bulk of people in the server end up in one strong group and the others won't stand a chance.

I'd tell people not to run coupon convoy not to give up on those coupons, but on the constanst frustration that convoy and being plundered generates in them. Focus on keeping a steady amount of active friends watering the tree daily.

I'll tell you my sad story, I started playing this game in a server without knowing much about what happens to servers over time or the game in general. I was in #2 Top group, in my group people didn't help each other much, aside from the people who apparently played other servers together and knew each other, our leader was quite ambitious he was the strongest player in the server (at the time) and wanted group to be #1. For GNW friends of the leader were the one who got packs and stuff. We were more less even in power with the other group, but they always knew where we had our strong people and our weak people lol.

Our leader became frustrated blamed it all in the group members wanted to have a group meeting and talk things out (It did seem like he wanted to kick people out). One day before said meeting he quit the group with a few friends and dropped the group on some random dude who quit leadership and quit group in a mater of minutes lel. The group just jumped from leader to leader almost 80% of the people originally there went to join group top #1 or #3. In less than a month our group was #9. Because group #1 had taken and accepted only the strongest from our group they became unstopabble. The group that was #3 became #2 and they had quite a vicious rivalry with #1.

So generally GNW was those two groups getting toxic at each other and the rest just doing GNW as an attendance event. This situation only changed after the merge, the merge brought an even stronger group that took the place of #1, there were fights, grudges over GNW pack and other stuff and the group that was #1 doesn't do GNW, now most of it members either quit or joined some of the other groups it seems it ac*ulated too much bad blood there.

What happened to me is that I stayed in that group and when I had the chance I took leadership of the group, but I was new and I didn't know how to do much. I recruited whenever I could and I managed to keep us active enough to do GNW even if we had like 3 people every week on that. At least no one got to fight for a pack because at that time we got enough for everyone. What we didn't get is enough people to do convoy, because back then you needed two people and those two needed same scroll and the merchant seemed to love spamming too much of one scroll and too little of the other. When we finally started to lose activity for GNW I had enough, I started to look for another server, though I did eventually quit playing altogether.

When I got back, the server was merged the other lower groups were recruiting like crazy. I was still leader and there were surprisingly people still playing in the group. I asked people if they wanted to join other groups, apparently no one cared and I let it be. I got back to playing, the game updated to 2.0 at that time so it keep my interest. The group finally died out as recently people finally left or quit playing, there are still 3 active people there, I left the group last week and joined another group the group that is currently top #2 on the server and I like it here, though our leader seems to think we can beat #1 even though they have the strongest people on the server.

In my opinion the dinamic of the people of the server plays a role, I never joined the top groups and stayed in my dead one because people there seemed to be "toxic" and stuff. Top #1 and #2 currently are polite to one and other, they don't cause drama in world chat and I noticed plundering does not happen as often as it used to because even though we are merged activity is going down, some plunderers just have to run convoy nowadays or most people get support. There are five active groups from them 4 groups do GNW. All of the active groups have strong people spread out. Top #2 in GNW is the group that is the most active and top #1 is the one with more power.

The merged servers still lose players every week, but I think if the current balance is kept we can hold on for a while.

Man, compared to my story that sounds way worse. I've had something almost simiar to that on my original server. We had top 3 teams, but most, if not everyone, was pretty chill. The rivalry was playful and such despite the lack of number. I started on the server since the first day it came out, and the group has gone through 3 leaders with now the current leader being the former senior, and now i'm the senior of said group.
But uh, I digress. That's another server.

Back on my server that I switched over too. I could consider asking what people I have left in my group about a merge to the next group. Everyday I send out group messages about any suggestions they have,
or ideas to improve our group. They seem ample to help, yet don't have many ideas. Some seem very lax about the group's downfall as a whole which I don't mind seeing as this is a game.

But this being a game based on competition, you can't help but feel some ambition for trying to be the best at something, right? Right now I don't currently care about individual status as opposed to group status.
I feel if we merge with the next group we'll become weaker. Our rival group is passive aggressive even if they don't seem to outright say it. My former leader and senior constantly plunder their former members and me being the main threat on the ground I c*ready fortell me becoming a common, pack-less member to keep my power in check. That, or petty comes to petty they kick me out the group after accepting me.

Yes, i've seen it done before for the sake of people with big power getting shut down.

Well when I was leader, all the time other groups were recruiting from us so I was always forced to recruit people of low level that no one wanted at the time, I invited people rather than recruit in world chat, but as you say even weak people preferred the top groups anyway. Our original leader made a group that he intended to turn into a top group and managed to recruit the few strong people we had left at that time. So even though I used to be the weakest person in the group I found myself in the position of leader and the strongest member of the group at one point which made me feel bad to even consider leaving XD.

What I did was simple, I kept the group going helped people when I could, I didn't talk much in chat or pm'd a lot cause I * at socializing :/ but when people asked I tried to answer and I let people know if they wanted to quit the group it was fine I wouldn't hold a grudge against them. Most of our people is still playing the server even though they quit the group the fact is that when they couldn't join a group ours was open to them and I always helped so people could do their TI every week. From the merged servers, the one I started in is the one with the most players still left and I recognize most of the names, a bunch of them are in my friend list.

This week when I joined the group I am in I got instantly pm's and people talking in chat glad we were back in a group together. And even though my former members have out grown me in power by a f**kton lot. I didn't think they would think about me or that they would think I was *eless leader.
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Hm, I see.

I wish to have something like that, I honestly do to a certain point. I'm not the most social *erfly, but I answer and chatter in group chat whenever people ask me for advice or help with something. Casual conversation is very scarce. A few weeks ago I spoke with both the leader and senior of the rival group, so I do have some sort of way to communicate with them. It's just how to get a proper message across without seeming desperate or demanding is the issue.

Like I said, don't have many friends on this server. Most things friendly that're tossed in my direction is a 'gj' after beating the #1 top leaderboard in ranked from my group, or a 'ty' from helping them with TI or other events.

Thats the problem, the group was too boring. A lot didn't even quit the group, they quit playing the game completely because they got bored. Like miso and bull where the people i talked to the most but theh quit because they got bored, and i got bored because now there wasn't any one left for me to talk with. Then I started to talk to Kie and its fun, once I joined their group it fun so much lively and fun. Some people like competition only and some people like to have fun. I like competition and have people I can talk to. Like you think that TenTails is trying to steal your members, but its not true. Those who left included me left on their own free will, because their group is really fun and helpful. While my old group never talked, and it was just soooo boring. This post was last edited by LadySabina at 2017-7-17 02:13

Well I did actually think people hated me, but it doesn't seem like anyone actually does.

If you talk with you members you can figure out where they are standing or how do they feel about the group. Like, when you see someone that says something in group chat or see a person playing less you can ask them what's going on and offer advice.

When people move on from a group to another, yes sometimes they plunder members from their old group, but it is not always personal. I feel like some people may resent their old group, like I said I thought people had it against me, because they seemed to plunder me and other things that let me think they did, but they were actually happy to play with me again so they did plunder me because I was online at the same time than they were plundering running convoy.

It was just my bad luck, I guess.

I never insulted them in fight chat so there's no bad blood between us, but I do know sometimes things are said and people become negative towards each other.

You may want to talk with some of you members that left, I often did and found out some of the top groups weren't nice or fair to their members. You would find out if your fears of being treated unfairly are justified or not.

In another server I was senior and my group had bad blood with almost all of the other groups. Our leader constantly harassed and recruited from lower groups. It kept us active, but it didn't win any friends in our server, the leader of a group even ranted on world chat about that.

The top group kicked some people out and some of them ended in our group, after that things got weird, our leader kept pestering people about donations and GNW. I was changed from senior for this other person of the other group and became a normal member which isn't so bad, but I do think the new senior did not do, some of the things I did, like putting summon capture at an hour in which we had actual people to fight it (When our leader scheduled it there was no one on, not even the leader I fought the summon so many times alone cause of this dumb thing our leader did XD).

Long story short people quit the group, including me it just wasn't nice to stay there. Most people joined other groups since #1 group is widely hated. I did went and joined #1 which is surprinsingly friendly and helpful. I still find it weird to get support from the people who used to plunder me, but everyone seems nice here.

I felt like our leader on the other group was out of touch with our members and their goals. So I would advice you to talk with your members and get a feel of what they think and want. If they are competitive, they are going to grow frustrated and move on, they will do it even if you don't merge with the other group. Talk with people, if someone wants to quit ask them to report back how they are treated upon having joined the other group.

There are still choices left, if your members quit and join the other group even if the members of said group won't help them your members c*ways promise to help each other, y'know? Like even if the group dies the group still lives on because the people who were there are there for each other even in a different group.

I know you've been making progress on your current server, but maybe it's time to consider moving to a server that's flourishing more than your current one.

I have a friend on my server who decided to swap servers because of his old server's issues and I think he's much happier in my server now, and seeing how we recently got merged, our combined server is really much more lively.

However, I don't think your server seems to have much chance of a merge until many months later, which by then you'll lose all interest to play. Dying servers are sadly common, so perhaps it's a better idea to move to one with more life, even if it means starting all over. Maybe if you make friends you can ask for an account that isn't in use anymore as well, then you won't be completely starting over.

Well he c*ways play on other servers and come back to his old one for check ins if he really cares about that.

LOL jib, please explain why the 2 posts above are considered player harrassment?

I am geniunely trying to help the OP make a decision between toughing it out and joining a new group.

103 google user has a problem with me from other threads where if you look them up you can see that he is making unreasonable arguments against me and other users.

Please pm me before you ban kthxbai. Are you trying to chase away legit forum users?

Please. There is no coming back to old server because time does not stop for the other players and you will be grossly outpowered when you do go back.

To be fair, all I did was ask you a question, I have 0 idea what you said in your post to get you banned.

Well, you see. Currently this is my secondary server. My original server is ny day one. It had a server merge about a month ago and I was stoked, but I decided to try another server for the fun of it, use my non-rookir knowledge and see how far I get. Was going to quit the second account until I pulled Sage Naruto on 90 pulls so I didn't want to waste the account.

But, maybe I should take a break and head back to my original server. Atleast there I have less stress and theres more people. At the same time though I dont want to abandon my current group like our former members did. This post was last edited by Ⴚoblin at 2017-7-17 22:39