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1＃ Go ToThe problem:Immortal teams are frustrating to play against, and 1 dimensional / unexciting to play.
Why is this a problem?
Ok, now let me preface this by saying "I am not salty". I understand optimisation within any game. I spent years playing games where theorycrafting the strongest option was the best way to play the games, and realise that people will always choose the easiest path to success.
However in a game where team makeup and tactics are at least 50% of the pvp experience, I'm sure even Oasis realises the nerfhammer needs to come down fairly soon.
*ysis of why immortal teams feel "unfair":
So what is it that makes immortal teams so frustrating? In short they counter their own counter.
The game is designed around a concept of atribute weakness (wind>lightning>earth>water>fire>wind) and buffs/debuffs. There are specific debuffs that focus specific things eg poison beats high hp. The thing that is supposed to beat healing is ignite. The issue with an immortal team they clear so many debuffs that the ignite never really takes effect meaning they are countering the one thing designed to beat them
So how should this be fixed?
There are a few options. Some options would absolutely gut some ninjas.
Option 1: Buff standard attack healing, remove healings from mysteries and change to full team debuff clear (see dance of impetus)
Option 2: remove standard healing attacks and change to debuff clears, buff mystery healing
Option 3: Change to dynamic "chance to remove debuff" with diminishing returns
Option 4: Make ignite non removable (terrible idea)
or my personal favorite
Option 5: Keep everything as it is but add diminishing returns per round so by round 10 healers are only healing for 10% of round 1.
Anyway, thanks for reading my wall of text. I'd like to think this will spark some civil discussion, but forums will forum.
Bonus video/ Example https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD3oROHy0MUhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD3oROHy0MU
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One of the problems is just the available ninjas we have. Heavy control teams that can layer debuffs or lots of mass ignite are helpful, but most of the ninjas that can do that are rare (Susanoo Itachi/Ninetails Naruto) or otherwise lackluster (Deidara).
Some of those proposed changes would make the healer teams basically useless. It's easy to perceive them to be really strong when watching them because of how they can get back to full health/end fights at full health, but they're often riding a fine line between victory and defeat. If just one of them ever goes down, it usually means game over. It's just a different playstyle than most teams that people need to adjust to. -
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Immortal teams are very easy to deal with. Just use your regular blitz meta teams and it eat immortal teams alive.
If either of those 2 players went for yoru basic (f2p) lightning blitz team, it would flat out destroy the opposing immortal team.
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- Syldor On 2017-05-30 04:51:21
- immortal teams are easy countered just take high singeltarget dps into your team shurado/watermain punch/tobi/.... and you can just nuke 1 healer after the other
Even if you have 10k power more than your opponents, if they are running a immortal team they have a huge chance of not dying and then healing from 10% Hp to 100% in one turn.
Even if you are running a full DPS team that is the case. Especially if the immortal team mooded life. -
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Or u can add another Option.
Option 6. Nerf Lighting Mains Damage, so myself and others dont lose in 4 rounds. My personal favorite
Week after week people come on here and complain, yet they Forget the whole reason the team was made in the 1st place. People got sick of losing in 4 rounds
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- Karissaa On 2017-05-30 07:29:19
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Or u can add another Option.
Option 6. Nerf Lighting Mains Damage, so myself and others dont lose in 4 rounds. My personal favorite
Week after week people come on here and complain, yet they Forget the whole reason the team was made in the 1st place. People got sick of losing in 4 rounds
No disrespect to you, but when you have those "OP Lightning Mains" switching to a healing team for space time...it should tell you all you need to know about which is more OP.
And as for the lightning teams beating you in four rounds, I am 100% positive that was entirely based on power because I have never lost to a lightning team with 10k less power than me. Meanwhile, these * cancer teams are just the worst..
I would rather a fight end in 4 or 5 rounds then go all the way to 10. (Go all the way to 10 just for it to end with both sides having near 100% hp ) -
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I think one of the other reasons they might seem unbeatable is because everyone who runs them is a whale with lots of power so it seems impossible to beat but a blitz team with less power can still kill tailed naruto turn 1 the issue is you need to be closer in power if you want to take one of the healers down and by the time you blitz again the poison and hokages kick prob got you.
But then its trading one problem for another immortal team for 1 shot blitz teams and we all know how much people hated tobi 1 shot meta. -
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They have many counter: blizt, heavy hitter like hidan2, stronger over time like roshi & jonin minato, heavy burst like wind empress.
The only reason they've been so meta is because player always make the same mistake as of AP said. Yes it is true that you can lose to them just because of 1 mistake but as long as you can execute your plan perfectly there's nothing they can do. Immortal team are very VERY limited tactic wise, they are not versitile unlike burst or blitz. -
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"Immortal" teams are a legit team strategy. How about we remove "Blitz" because it is the easiest to play and most rewarding? No. Water main and Earth main (The two top contenders for Immortal teams) do not excel at damage in any way - they are forced to heavily rely on their team to either:
1. Do enough damage, or
2. Live long enough and win to round limit (Immortal)
Just because you dislike fighting a team setup, doesn't mean it needs to be removed because you can't win.
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