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[ Suggestions ] Arena negative points before becoming 6 paths sage

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On 2017-05-21 18:30:14Show All PostsDescending Order
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Suggestion:

Remove negative points after a loss from the arena until you hit sage of the 6 paths for the first time

Problem this suggestion adressess

When you reach Anbu or Kage ranks, the ranked arena matches will be almost exclusively against people from servers below 100. Sometimes you get other people but its mostly players from the older servers.

It is almost impossible for a player who belongs in servers 300+ to possess a higher initiative than players from the older servers, so he mostly gets lossess once he reaches a high enough rank. This is fair since older players worked for their initiative, the problem lies on the negative points you get after a defeat.

Since you mostly get matched up against much older players then you mostly get defeats, hence you start ac*ulating a negative score for your rank. This ac*ulation of negative points will not be reset after the season ends since yo keep you rank and points as long as you haven't reached sage of the 6 paths.

After players get a score of -10 or even lower they become discouraged and stop doing ranked matches in arena for good. Even ore so since the negative points will not be reset at the end of the season. This combined with players quitting the game for all sorts of reason makes waiting times in arena very long at high ranks. Also many times you end up fighting the same opponent 2-3 times in a single session due to a lack of players in arena ranked.

Benefits from change:

By removing negative points in arena ranked matches, before a player reaches sage of the six paths would alow newer players to have some hope on getting to thie highest rank for the first time and unlocking the season rewards.

Players would be able to challenge ranked much like they challenge ninja exams, even if they mostly have lossess they would be of no consequence to them and they would keep trying since from time to time they get matched against a team they can counter. The number of players in ranked arena matches will increase and waiting times would be shortened.

After having reached sage of the 6 paths once, even if a player ends up with a huge loosing streak it wouldn't matter since it would be reset at the end of the season. Thus he c*ways try again from scratch.

Situations:

A player who has yet to get to 6 paths sage for the first time would still need a lot of initiative, as well as many ninjas in order to build proper teams that might counter lineups which he frequently faces. Reaching sage of the 6 paths would still be challenging. Plus since he has nothing to loose he will probably try many times in order to get lucky and get a win.

A player that has reached sage of the 6 paths would once again be confronted to the negative points during lossess, the same way the system works at this time.

Final words:

This would elp the community as a whole, revamping ranked arena matches which seem to be abandoned more and more. All the features of the arena remain unchanged, weather it is matching, initiative based fights or the requirement of reaching sage of the 6 paths for the first time before getting any season rewards.

It would encourage players to join ranked arena fights, specially the newer players, as well as encourage them to increase their initiative and get ninjas that can counter specific meta teams and who are otherwise unused.

This change would be well received by the community as a whole as well. Weather it is the newer players who now have a shot at becoming sage of 6 paths, or older players who wont have to wait 10+ minutes for a fight at kage or super kage ranks.

This suggestion comes from this thread in general section, the full discussion can be found here:

http://forum.naruto.oasgames.com/en/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=19561&extra=page%3D1&page=1

Thanks for taking this under consideration.
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On 2017-05-22 02:44:35Show All Posts
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If they refresh the page the opponent will get the win anyways. At high ranks, the one that strikes first almost always wins due to control meta teams.

You can't nerf older plaayers just because newer ones cant win, it wouldn't be fair to them. An ideal solution would be to rethink arena matchups, but thats complex and would need a fair amount of coding. Plus i guarantee that any change on matchups will make some players happy and others unhappy.

Removing negative points from players which have yet to reach sage of 6 paths would at least spur people from newer servers to try since if they loose there will be no consequences.

From a technical point of view coding this should be fairly easy, since the system probably flags your character when you reach sage for the first time in order to give you the season rewards. Therefore identifying which players should get -1 during losses and which shouldn't is not too hard.

Although not perfect, it is a good mid term solution which benefits newer players without hindering older players.
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On 2017-05-23 18:10:43Show All Posts
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That's why removing negative points from people who have yet to reach sage of the 6 paths would be good.

In that case it wouldn't matter that you can only win 1 out of 10 matches at jonin or kage, you would slowly rank up. This would also incite you to spend in initiative since it would allow you to eventuall reach sage of the 6 paths, even if you are not one of those monster with 13k initiative. It would nontheless require at least 9k (maybe more, i dont have exact numbers on this).

People who gave up due to a bad streak would once again go back into the arena since that streak woudn't matter.

For thos that reached sage of the 6 paths once, your points (positive and negative) get reset at the end of the season so they know they will eventually escape from that negative loop.

In the end there would be more players participating in the arena. More people at higher ranks equals shorter match waiting times so even older players benefit. Most importantly it allows new players to actively participate in the arena. This without changing in any way rewards requirements or nerfing other players.
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On 2017-05-24 18:13:44Show All Posts
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As far as i've seen, Tobei always answers the posts here. Even if it is only as a short statment telling that the matter will be looked into.

No thread has been answered for the past couple of days so the moderators are probably busy with other stuff. Don't read too much into it, amoderator will probably answer today or tomorrow.
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On 2017-05-26 21:14:24Show All Posts
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So can the moderators tell me their opinion on these? Granted this thread has been pushed very far down in the pas few days, but i would really like an answe since the suggestion seems feasible.

Thx
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On 2017-06-01 01:00:29Show All Posts
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  • WhoWhat On 2017-05-31 16:37:48
  • So if I go into arena as a superkage and then get a just lets say jonin because negative points don't exist anymore, would you complain that someone so high was against somebody so low? Answer hell yeah you would, either you you want no negative and cry that you are against much higher people or you cry that you get negative because you lost some game.
    Negative points keep you in the rank you should be at and not disturb those who are lower trying to rank up.
This makes absolutely no sense. I don't even understand your arguments after reading your post 3 times.

If there are no negative pointsm which is your assumption, how in the world would a super kage and jonin be matched together? The matching system uses *gorythm where you get matched to someone whose points (non negative points) are within a range of +2 -2 from yours.

Even with negative points i have heard no one ever getting such a match, even when players have a long streak of negative points (-10 or more).

As for your previous statement. Sure if you fully commit to increasing initiative for 3-4 months since the beginning of your gaming experience then you might, MIGHT just be able to reach super kage. Be realistic, there is not a single player who has ever done that or wil ever do that. Unrealistic arguments undermine the message you want to get across.

Anyways as was previously said, we would have appreciated if the moderator would have told us that they weren't focusing on patches for the arena since the developpers are trying to finish ASAP a newer version of the game.

There is no need to say if it will be done in 1, 3 or 5 months, or if the arena will be changed for the better. But a bit of context really goes a long way.

There is no need to be all humble and empathic. But the answer we got made it look like you don't care at all and we should shut up about it. Really not a good idea given the uprise in popularity with cross server SWB and the latest PR aproach taken in the past few days.
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