From this I guess?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=*

Attention seeker guys like above are the reason why they are nerfing the ninja % rate from boxes.

That video doesn't indict one lick about "nerfed %"
Unless you have a magic timestamp, where you can quote it.
Or you can provide a credible source for your statement.

nerf is my own term. What I mean is you guys are the reason why they are nerfing the % from boxes. From my point of view which is my own you have tendency to nerf (in the future, or future plans to nerf). English is not my language so I can't interpret my ideas neatly. Unless I won ninjas from those packs I will never be happy with the packs. It's like seeing a ghost. You will never believe it unless you see one.
By the way if you got offended by the word nerf, I apologize about that. I can't really explain it clearly. Have a great day ahead.
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or is it just the typical "I didn't receive the reward, thus it's rigged" ?

Let's be honest friend. "Nerf" It's a singular term. You meant what you said.
Regardless, So I was correct
Glad to know that we have a common ground of understanding

But rest assure pal, There are F2P/P2P players are obtaining Hashirama, Tobirama and Sasori from events with relative ease. It's a real shame that luck played a part in the decision, but it is what it is. Accept it, pray to RNGesus for next time and move on. (Check the boasting players obtaining those said ninjas on the forums)

Sources a beautiful thing.

Edit: Saw your edit. It's perfectly fine. Have a great one.
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Lord have mercy!

I believe luck is not the term for this. You can't be lucky in a game full of numbers and RNG's. Correct term would be "Chance". Hoping that next time I'll get the chance to get those ninjas. Because I opened 100 Boxes and never got those ninjas. Game of Chance not game of luck.

Here's a great explanation of luck/chance.

"Luck is chance viewed through the spectacles of good or bad fortune. It’s really good news, at least for you, if you win the lottery, and it’s really bad news if you’re one of the passengers on the plane when it crashes. Chance, then, is the objective reality of random outcomes in the real world, while luck is a consequence of the subjective value you place on those random outcomes. Luck, we might say, is chance with a human face. Understanding this gives us a clearer view of reality, and a clearer view of reality means we can choose better courses of action.”

The deception of Luck ~ by David J Hand.

Chance you may influence, however, Luck you may not.
The RNG % aren't being influx by how many boxes you open or may not open. It'll remain the same regardless of your actions. Thus providing a strict ruling when it comes to pulling those said ninjas. Meaning you have to be lucky to get them. Not chance. (If a number of boxes opened did influx the %, it would provide a higher CHANCE of obtaining those ninjas, thus no longer lucky at a certain point since you're influencing that "luck"

Are we good now right?
Hopefully, you understand it all.

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How I'm seeing Tobei responding!

This made my night. Was not expecting this.

I think i dropped a penny here

Chance and luck doesn't co-exist. So if you are under operation and the doctor said, "this operation has 90% chance to fail and you might die." The higher the chance percentage the more it will fail. Is that even lucky? No one would win this argument because at the end of the day, human will only choose those facts that are convenient for them even though it is a lie. My fact is luck and chance doesn't co-exist. while yours is the more you purchace the more chance you win. On a different note, even though I don't understand too much english and my vocabulary is limited don't treat me like a child. No need to Hopefully, you understand it all phrase. I felt you are trying to belittle me.



PS: I just realize that you are a mod. Please accept this apology and please don't ban me. I just want to lay out my opinion. Thanks.

For what it's worth, this post was the initial complaint, and implied that people boasting about their good luck (drawing rare character frags multiple times) would lead to a lowering of the % rate of boxes.

I'm pretty sure they don't lower the rate of the boxes (at all, not just due to too many people getting stuff), but I obviously have no way to prove that. It's fine if you want to be skeptical and su*ious of them, although I don't really see what that accomplishes.

The good thing about people boasting about their :@ luck is that we see packs ain't rigged like players suspected on certain other events. Personally, I don't think rates will be lowered either, and one of the reasons is that most of the heavy spenders already got him. If Hashirama was the new hot ninja, he would probably be up for sale at a fixed price or available in a insane bidding war.

The problem in these pack rewards is not the rng factor, but the fact they don't say there is a daily cap. You cannot get more than one hashirama per server per day, that's the truth. It's like the horrible rigged naruto ninetails chakra wheel. The chance to get hashirama with packs very likely is relatively high (lets say you get it with 2% chance) but the problem is that once a guy from your server get him none else will get him until the 5am of the following day because he gets removed from the pull.
Be honest, Oasis, and admit this is how those packs work. Just wanted to say that not admitting it when is so is technically a * for every penal law in every civilized country (china too).

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*. RNG was on my side today.. Merge and Hashirama on the same day!

The problem is that we aren't playing a game with an honest dealer that gives out cards and we have to bet on the ace of spades outcome. The problem is that you are telling us that we can get an ace of spades out of 52 cards but when the first guy get it you remove the card from the deck without telling it to everyone else and you bet on the fact that guy got it to lure 150 others in playing the game when their chance to get the ace of spades is 0 because is no more in the deck.

Don't worry friend. You're expressing your opinion and you're completely entitled to it.
If that's what you believe, so be it.

I wouldn't ban or warn you on those merits. You didn't do anything wrong besides expressing it.


@At the post above.
That's completely reliant on the "Only one can be pulled per server" logic, which has been dethroned completely by this thread alone, as there are players stating that a Super Rare has been pulled not only once, but twice within the same day. And even a player stating that half (exaggerating) of the server has gotten him. The reality is, there's been Hashirama's pulled on the same day. The ruling for Hashi applies in both Lucky Board and Mission Packs.

Also The problem is that you are telling us that we can get an ace of spades out of 52 cards
Is also where the *ogy falls apart. Implying that there's a higher chance of obtaining the ninja the more you pull. Which I've already stated otherwise.

So basically, there's no limit. You can pull two Hashiramas, Two Sasori's, etc.
There's no gauge that increases the % (It's set in stone, can't be adjusted)
And there's no deck of cards.

I think the problem is understanding how probability and rng works.

The mathematical forumla that gives you the probability of getting a random event with a fixed probability x after n chances is:

1-(x^n)

For arguments sake lets say that hashirama has a 1% chance of appearing in a pack. After 100 packs, the probability of getting it is only of 63.4%, after 200 packs its 86.6% and only at 300 packs it goes over 95% which is practically guaranteed.

Noe on my server there are a little under 15 active players (tops, server 407 uk needs a merge =P). Lets say each of them opens 10 packs each day for the duration of the event. Lets say that around 7 packs are opened each day (some dont play every day). A total of 735 packs have been opened during the event without a single hashirama appearing, thus the real probability of getting hashirama is lower than 1% in game (probably closer to 0.1%).

Under this conditions you need to open 3000 packs to have over 95% chance of getting hashirama.

The event is not rigged, its just very very rare to get one, we know this. Of course it is possible, albeit improbable to get hashirama twice in a server on the same day.

It would be so much better if Tencent or Oasis (dont know who has the authority to do it) made gave us the odds of drawing this and that from rng based events. In China a law passed demanding inline games to do this (Tencent published rng rates for lol). Until we get them, we will always feel as though we might be getting ripped off, specially with the bad publicity that Oasis has been getting lately (not totally undeserved).

The first box I opened I got hashirama. I dont plan on using him because he isnt very good : / http://prntscr.com/f8q977 This post was last edited by TerribleGame at 2017-5-17 12:06

That math is pretty awesome man. Anyway, about the Chinese law, I hope Oasis does take that into account very soon because that is such a huge part of the players concern.

Back when we heard about Tobirama only being given out once per day (It was in a different event than the mission box), players haven't trusted Oasis since then. Then with all that Utopia nonsense, it isn't earning them much favor.

Of course, that is only a portion of the community but they represent a wide enough margin to warrant attention. Myself, I only spend on things I know I can get for certain and I haven't been cheated yet.

If I knew the exact odds of these boxes and other events I would definitely consider attempting them.

i got hashirama from yesterday, just complete the mission, and open 10 box