pls nerf light main, hes sooooo strong and hes impossible to counter

The second coming of Kaguya confirmed!

Wait, does that makes him Madara?

I got you with translation

Garten: "I do not think Roshi is very good at PVP at the moment, but I'm going to take this as I do not have any more chests. In the qualification fight, he is needed for me."

Snupens: Ranked Battle- nice
current PvP - not necessarily to recommend except possibly in the backline.

This will be better / correct as soon as the general defensive state scaling (for all ninjas) of the
Chinese is implemented with us.

ColaIsRed: Roshi is definitely good but you can not expect him to do great damage with his abilities. It is through and through a tank and only really can be used as this. Thus, tank teams with a stone fist or water main (Heal) are definitely recommended. You just have to place it so that the opponent is forced to attack him and then you wait until your opponent burns over the rounds or that Roshi buffs into immortality.

Franco Blanco: My theory is that defense / resistance surpasses the time of Tai / Ninjutsu, so that with time, damage is reduced against players with the same KK. Hot, most on the DE servers have just too little KK for playing Roshi useful.

From some point on, Roshi will survive so long that he is hurt by his Passive. Is only now not possible.

The feelings are mixed, but I can see he is not on the same level as sussanoo itachi and sasuke.

Clearly this topic has some mixed reviews. But I'm still on the side of saying water needs to be nerfed. I mean when your only defense for water main healing teams is "Midnight Blade is the REAL OP thing, and we made these teams to beat that." it sort of an ironic point.

On one hand you are saying how OP lightning mains are, but on the other hand you are admitting that you can beat this so called OP team. So what does that say about your healing teams? This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-5-8 06:19

Thanks. :)

"This will be better / correct as soon as the general defensive state scaling (for all ninjas) of the Chinese is implemented with us." - This comment actually triggered me, I wonder what he meant.

"Roshi is definitely good but you can not expect him to do great damage with his abilities. It is through and through a tank and only really can be used as this. Thus, tank teams with a stone fist or water main (Heal) are definitely recommended. You just have to place it so that the opponent is forced to attack him and then you wait until your opponent burns over the rounds or that Roshi buffs into immortality."
- This guy is correct, however, the question here is, is he able to take a hit at his basic state? Cause if not, he won't survive enough to buff himself with nin and def, and therefore won't be of use to us.

"My theory is that defense / resistance surpasses the time of Tai / Ninjutsu, so that with time, damage is reduced against players with the same KK. Hot, most on the DE servers have just too little KK for playing Roshi useful." - This guy has a point. But still...

"From some point on, Roshi will survive so long that he is hurt by his Passive. Is only now not possible."
- Wait, what? xD

Regarding the susanoo brothers. I am not that much amazed by Sasuke anyway. From what people talk about him, I expected more. I face a sasuke every day in space time battle with opponents with higher bp than me. And the only reasons I lose some matches is cause the opponent has much higher BP and also wins the barrier and strikes first. Actually, I have seen less and less of sasuke lately, people near me changed to either this immortal meta or to the blitz teams with mifune, asuma and iruka. So sasuke doesn't seem that impressive (from what I heard, people in china don't even use him much).

Idk about itachi, didn't fight him that much to actually be accurate when *yzing him. However, on paper I see him as the most useful ninja in the game right now, alongside 6 Tails naruto. If Roshi would indeed be on their level, I would be amazed. However we should note that itachi is a different type of ninja than roshi, so it's actually hard to compare them anyway. Especially since I didn't meet itachi much, and didn't meet roshi at all. xD

I guess we'll just have to wait a bit and see other reactions of him. I am honestly very curious about this.

Why are people even arguing on this thread?
If you want them to die, then find a way to beat them.

If you can't then maybe stop copying teams you see off youtube or read off on forums and start making and testing your own teams. Every lineup is beat-able PERIOD.

Props to the players that have a brain and can put up a fight against a $10000 team

This is a thread with the purpose to :-

1) Easily get a counter team from any INTELLIGENT/EXPERIENCED player against an Immortal Team
2) Boring or not, there are multiple strategies required in game depending on the situation/events you are in either: a) Sage Battlefield b) Space Time (Applaud Kira) c) GNW d) Rich Field/Ninetails e) Plunder
3) It wasn't a boring match, look at the fight closely check the timing, sequence and positioning of Kira which makes him won the match, Failure of AP to anticipate his opponent movement costs him it was FAIR (83k vs 100k) and Square.
4) Now whoever said go BET to the highest POWER in space-time has to shut up and this proof the game is actually has an element of strategy.
5) You play your best cards, Kira played his best bet which is defensive given of the position he is in and WON and you cry how it is boring? Shame on you.

1) Kira isn't even who I was talking about...I'm talking about the other scrub ass healers. And don't tell me it isn't boring to watch, SURE there might be placement strategy but that is 100% luck because you don't know exactly where your opponent will place his people unless you fight the team multiple times and they don't move.

All this crap is b/s. I am an experienced player and all my friends are. It's not like I am incapable of thinking.. The heal teams are sometimes weak to ignite, but those 3 healers? It's complete b/s.

Sure on one hand its cool to say things like "grats on beating that guy 10k stronger than you" but once everyone starts doing it, its a problem. Cuz then every noob starts doing it and suddenly every fight lasts 10 rounds.

And shouldn't the definition of over powered be that you are capable of beating someone 10-20k more power than you? It has less to do with strategy than it does with broken Life attributes and healing ratios. And you provided all the proof yourself.

It's not the car you drive. It's the driver who's driving the car ;P

This driver ranked 4th in Space time.. What did you make? ;P

EDIT: Also that is a dumb point because a half ass driver could destroy the best driver in the world if he was in a clunker. Tho in this case its more like the normal drivers are in decent cars without any sort of after market parts and the healers would be using annoying stuff that isn't fun to watch at all, but somehow win? Yeah, thanks for bringing cars to a Naruto fight.


EDIT 2: Also, back to the point about the cars. In this case the healer teams are driven by players who can't win in other ways, so they use this cheap crap. The thing is, once they force the people they are trying to beat to resort to healer teams too, they STILL lose. So, I guess according to your *ogy, healer teams have some poor driving skills.

This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-5-8 13:34

I see my mistake these last few pages... I should reiterate that I'm NOT losing to these crappy teams. Infact there is only 1 healing team I fought recently that I lost to and that person had 100k+ power. So this isn't a lack of skill or power talking here.

Like I said, in a completely honest way, I just find these teams to be boring as hell. And I know that a majority of players agree with me. Infact, from what I have seen, its mostly people who RELY on these healing teams as a crutch that don't want to agree.

If you are not losing,

it isn't even an issue to you, why the complaints?
you complain over how other players uses available ninja in game?
they never complain you using your OP team, why complain about them?

when you started to mention how boring other people teams are compared to my 4th rank in space time team, we should all stop reading your post.

So the other guy said I wasn't good enough to have an opinion on healing teams and you are saying that I am too good to have an opinion.

I really wish you guys would make up your minds. Just because I can beat the teams doesn't mean I have to like them. They aren't fun to fight at all and don't require any skill to use. Now, you can argue that there are certain elements to it that require skill or strategy but its more like luck on who takes less debuffs. I say luck because you can't control where your healing standards go.

The way you are being such a try hard in defending these teams, makes me suspect either you aren't very strong yourself and rely on a team like this to do decent...or you just like to argue.

The thing is, my little friend, I have used this team too. And speaking as a player who has used it (successfully I might add) I don't like it very much at all.

So, back to the main part of this whole thread, does anyone have an exact date in mind on when these teams will die? Because I don't care to hear these people say I'm complaining when it's exactly what -they- are doing in trying to defend such a terrible line up.

someone hurt by a few healers? where's salt bae?seems like the money you put into this game has consumed you and turned you and your mindset into an * big ego'd whale

heard of the saying "the bigger they are, the harder they fall"?
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I say luck because you can't control where your healing standards go.
after reading this, i know your level and now i understand why you complain.PS : I won't teach you how ;P else my heal team will die to your 4th ranked space time team.

All the best.
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seems like the OP is just another ctrl+c, ctrl+v, credit card jutsu swipe swipe player
i don't blame him for being so sore when his $10000 ninja gets *ed by a few healers + a GREAT player behind the team

once again OP as a I said before, it's the driver whose driving the car, and not the car ;P

Both of you guys are making a lot of assumptions. I dont have any team like that. Yall just like to assume the worst huh? Maybe it helps validate yourselves?

I mean aside from teaming up to insult me I haven't seen many words of worth come from you. I can beat the heal teams so there is no salt.

In fact, I would prefer both of you quit posting here because now you are just trying to flame me for thinking that 3 Heal teams are *y. (Which is the majority opinion btw.) Every time you tried to make a point and I proved you wrong you just tried to say something else to discredit my opinion. And now suddenly I'm a rich guy? I will admit I've spent on this game, I mean you don't make it to top 4 in space time (Especially in a competitive server group) without spending... but I digress, the amount that I have spent is no where compared to what most have..especially for my peers in ranking.

So, as I said before my opinion on these teams isn't based on them beating me, OR me being too rich. It's objective and its based on the fact that its become so popular. I've observed that even those so called "OP Lightning Mains" with the "$10,000 teams" switch to these healing teams now.

Yes, it is a counter to blitz teams...but lets please get back to my main point of this thread. Blitz teams have only so long to live before Han comes out. But even once blitz teams go away I'm afraid these lame healing teams will * around. I mean, they are so op they can even beat the OP Lightning Blitz. And Han won't effect that too much.

Now, yes, maybe future ninja will help cause enough debuffs to shut them down but I don't know for sure...which is why I started this thread. So if you guys only intend to attempt to mock me please stop posting here. This is more of a research thread. Besides that, I've already argued against your points and you just keep coming up with more unfounded B/s. This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-5-8 17:17

So lets pretend and do it your way, and Nerf Healers, so they are not a COUNTER to Midnight Blade or any other type of Rush/Blitz team

So again it will come down to who is Faster and STRONGER or who spent the most money

You go
I go
You go
I go
You go
I see defeat message... This is only thing u want

That isn't the only way to fight. And once again I feel like you guys are missing the main point of this thread.

But I will entertain this train of thought. In your way of thinking lets say the other person spent thousands more than you. In p2w game they shoudl have an advantage right? I mean they would beat you down in a regular fight if you had the same team. I would even say it is Over powered.

But then you take a basic 2 or 3 healer team and defeat that guy while having 15k less power than him... On one hand its victory for you, but on the other hand its clearly one hell of an OP team you have. And then that OP lightning main guy suddenly switches to your healing team too..except wait, he is a casher and has 4 tails Naruto.. You lose either way.

Now back to the point of my thread: Eventually the "OP Lightning" meta will die out. But what will come along to make the heal meta die? You say it was made to counter lightning meta..which is ironic for one because 'immortal' teams have existed for quite some time... but once the lighting meta goes away, do you honestly think these healing teams will? I for one hope so. I don't enjoy watching 3 healer teams go back and forth for 10 rounds. There are no clutch moments... just make it to round 10 and see who catches the most debuffs in the final round.

I am asking because when I look at CN vids I don't see the garbage that we have, but I am concerned that this will be a final meta. Say what you want about the practicality of it...just think about how lame 10 round fights would be for the rest of the time you play naruto online. This post was last edited by kpo***@riordanhs.org at 2017-5-8 17:54

The immortals teams that can beat susanoo and others highly p2w teams are teams with ninja like tsunade hokage or six tails naruto.
Sure they are maybe a little easier to get than the susanoo brothers but they are still p2w ninjas very hard to get so it's not like everyone can suddenly beat the * of opponents way stronger. Lightning blitz and water blitz are way more easy to build cancer teams in my opinion. No wonder why they are everywhere.
Space time is not a good representation of what teams are the most used by the community since it is just the whales fighting each other.

As for your statement that everyone hate fights that last 10 rounds well that is just your opinion. It's like in every other MMO there are different style of gameplay and everyone doesn't like the same thing. DPS, Tank, Healer, Crowd Control, AeO, etc.
For example i really don't like the gameplay of lightning blitz. I think it's boring and require no skills at all so i never jumped on the lightning blitz bandwagon.
In my opinion those 10 rounds match were way more interesting than a match over round 1 or round 2 wich is just one sided slaughter while in 10 rounds some interesting plays can be made and a player can turn the situation around, making a comeback, etc but that is just my opinion.

Immortal teams will die at some point. No one use them in china as far as i know so i guess it will not be enough to have 3 heals against the end game meta now i can't say for sure when it will end.

As fore fights that last 10 rounds all the chinese space time fights that i have seen where a lot worse than here in that regard.
Everyone had the same team with earth main, roshi, naruto kurama, hashirama sennin/killer bee and the fights lasted 10 rounds with maybe one ninja dead at the end max so you tell me if it is better.