I am so tired of all that midnight blade bull* regarding how OP he is that I won't even bother to argue with people who complain about it, especially now with what's been going on lately with the Immortal teams (that are truly a bit OP considering the rest of the ninja we have). I will just say, MB isn't OP, he is as he should be, and people should learn how to counter him. It's not even that hard. For once, you have these immortal teams, second, it's so easy to counter root teams using wind main's sand dust that removes ALL buffs and shield from 3 enemies (thus, eliminating root). You also have GNW temari that does that (albeit from round 2), mifune (from round 2 and only for one char), water main's skewer mistery, etc. Learn how to play before you start complaining!!

That being said I would like point some things out, to give some hope for people who (for a very good reason) believe that the immortal teams are tremendously hard to beat now.
These are only my speculations that came from *yzing a few ninjas that will probably come in the future. I'm not 100% I am right. If I make some mistakes in describing their abilities, please correct me.
1. From what I saw, Han removes all buffs and shield from the enemy (so no water boost, no healing tips, no medical sage boost from tsunade, no double standard from Yo, no boost for 6 tails from Killer Bee) etc.
=> Dramatically reduced healing abilities and reduced damage. So no more getting back to full health when you were almost dead.
2. Roshi is a powerhouse and does *loads of damage from both his mistery and chase. Every taijutsu standard against him means ingition, and his chase causes massive damage and ignition to 4 enemies as well (it will be hard to trigger it though, since it requires a 30 hit combo). I will asume that all that ignition will slow down the healing and roshi's passive (that boosts is ninjutsu every time he gets attacked) will provide enough damage to eventually kill them. This also will depend on what other ninja's you have in you team that might do crazy damage or some form of crowd control as well. However I am just speculating here, I may be wrong.Of course, there is also the downside that they are super rares and harder to get, but hopefully the pull rates will be decent and a lot of people can get them.

For now, we indeed have very few ninja that can help us defeat these teams. I for one, succesfully manage to blitz them in most cases (depends on my luck with launching the criticals), but ONLY IF they don't have more than 5k higher BP than me(in which case, he is a bit too tanky, and as it happened loads of times, the enemies might remain with about 3-400 HP and gets back to full health). However I do own a not very common ninja.


Other options would probably be a combination of Hashirama and Sage Jiraya and another ninja with some form of cc, since hashirama gives 2 immobile per round (just need to be lucky not to hit the immune characters) and jiraya provides the ignition to slow the healing down. As main char, fire would be useful cause he has the mirror return thing that will reflect the chaos tsunade gives on her mistery. This could prove extremely helpfull.

I won't mention possibilities of teams with susano'o brothers cause so few people have them and it won't help answer the question of this post (plus they don't really work so good against these teams either).

So, I have hope that when the jinchuriki treasure comes, things will be a bit different.

I am not judging people who used them, it's their right to do so, I am only trying to think of possible counters to them.

Every main is "stronger" when they have higher initiative. Imagine a water main with skewer punch that will remove all buffs from the opponent, does loads of damage and start a chase that will probably result in a form of CC.
Higher initiative makes you stronger period. Regardless of main.
People have no reason to complain about MB, they have a counters for it right under their nose. And it's completely f2p. :)

Kimimaro's stacking defensive buff is a passive of kimi's. Sand dust doesn't remove passives it only removes the buffs the are APPLIED to the unit at the beginning of the fight. Healing tip is a passive of water main that increases the healing rate of every unit on the field as long as main is present there. It's actually more similar to a barrier boost than other types of boost like root of warrior or mifune's kendo instructions.

To be more precise, some buffs specify in their description that "At the beggining of the battle increase ". There are other buffs that say "Increase as long as this unit is on the field". Sand dust, skewering punch and mifune's lai giri mistery clears only the first type obviously. Healing tip falls into the second category. Kimimaro's stacking defensive and resist passive is something entirely different than both of them.

Anyway, what I said in the first part of my post was a way to counter light main's root, which falls in the first category of buffs.

Also, a lot of buffs, including bee's jinchuriki instructor boost, iruka's boost, hashirama's Ninja God boost, mifune's kendo instruction boost, and a lot more, fall under the first category. So personally I find sand dust very useful. Just for the fact that it removes root (which means no resistance boost and no immunity for sword ninja's and light main that people fear so much), I think it's very powerful. But that's just my personal opinion. :)

Anyway, I'll stop here cause I did kind of diverged from the topic of this thread. ;P
This post was last edited by SenjuMusashi at 2017-5-8 00:33

Yup, you are right, that part with light armor is indeed a bit strange and I don't yet understand the mechanism behind it either.
The part with Izanagi was cleared by Watanuki13 (tbh I didn't pay attention to what was written there either). :P

Yea lol. It's good that you noticed. I think there is a thread somewhere with bugs regarding descriptions or translations. If you want you can post it there. They said that they give rewards for finding such things (although don't expect anything big, max 1 seal scroll or something, and not even sure about that one either :P)
EDIT: And actually it doesn't even cancel all the debuffs. For example, ignition, poison and tag remain.

Unfortunately I dunno German and it will take a while to google translate that. :P
But that doesn't sound good to me from the start to be honest. What is Oasis trying to pull?
I'm pretty sure there's gonna be a great scandal here on the forums if they do give us a nerfed Roshi in the english. Or Han for that matter.
A lot if people have been expecting the jinchuriki for a loooong time. So I would expect OASIS to NOT make such a dumb move as to give us weaker ninja that aren't good for pvp. Unless they want to flame things up again.
Especially since he's a freakin' super rare in that treasure.

The topic of this thread was the future possibilities for countering the immortal teams, which are now pretty hard to counter (not impossible though, just very hard). No one told anyone to stop using those kind of teams.

Of course, some of us (including me) have stated that those teams can make the game a bit boring cause there's not much action going on and the matches take too long. But it's everyone's right to express their own opinion about this.
Even some of the people who use these teams think they are boring and kill the fun, but they use them cause they are efficient right now. And good for them.

However, it's the other people's right to talk about this and find counters to them.

So, why did you get all worked up about? This post was last edited by SenjuMusashi at 2017-5-8 05:19

Are these the only constraints? ;P

He can turn into a chick, you know. For the greater good. ;P

Thanks. :)

"This will be better / correct as soon as the general defensive state scaling (for all ninjas) of the Chinese is implemented with us." - This comment actually triggered me, I wonder what he meant.

"Roshi is definitely good but you can not expect him to do great damage with his abilities. It is through and through a tank and only really can be used as this. Thus, tank teams with a stone fist or water main (Heal) are definitely recommended. You just have to place it so that the opponent is forced to attack him and then you wait until your opponent burns over the rounds or that Roshi buffs into immortality."
- This guy is correct, however, the question here is, is he able to take a hit at his basic state? Cause if not, he won't survive enough to buff himself with nin and def, and therefore won't be of use to us.

"My theory is that defense / resistance surpasses the time of Tai / Ninjutsu, so that with time, damage is reduced against players with the same KK. Hot, most on the DE servers have just too little KK for playing Roshi useful." - This guy has a point. But still...

"From some point on, Roshi will survive so long that he is hurt by his Passive. Is only now not possible."
- Wait, what? xD

Regarding the susanoo brothers. I am not that much amazed by Sasuke anyway. From what people talk about him, I expected more. I face a sasuke every day in space time battle with opponents with higher bp than me. And the only reasons I lose some matches is cause the opponent has much higher BP and also wins the barrier and strikes first. Actually, I have seen less and less of sasuke lately, people near me changed to either this immortal meta or to the blitz teams with mifune, asuma and iruka. So sasuke doesn't seem that impressive (from what I heard, people in china don't even use him much).

Idk about itachi, didn't fight him that much to actually be accurate when *yzing him. However, on paper I see him as the most useful ninja in the game right now, alongside 6 Tails naruto. If Roshi would indeed be on their level, I would be amazed. However we should note that itachi is a different type of ninja than roshi, so it's actually hard to compare them anyway. Especially since I didn't meet itachi much, and didn't meet roshi at all. xD

I guess we'll just have to wait a bit and see other reactions of him. I am honestly very curious about this.