It's individual based.

The table graph shows each ninjas as their element, not what Main they work best with.

It's not based on Water Teams, it's individual skillset.

Chojuro requires Water Ninjas/Mei/Swordman to be truly effective and GNW Tenten needs Mei/Mabui


Tobirama can benefit in a lot of teams just due to his mystery and Taijutsu buff.
Remember, it's individual measurement, not "Which Ninjas work best with" etc.
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Tenten requires specific teammates to be used at maximum potential
If this tier list was specifically for PvP, she'll be higher than Tobirama for sure, but this is overall.
Which Tobirama excels in.

While I'm more into making Tobirama to S instead of S+.

@Falu

Ningendo's kit is actually really strong. However, he has low growth rates and he's pretty squishy
He's practically a chase bot with CC. Which implies his usage is extremely limited.
Compared to Gekido or Jigokudo who can see action in verality of teams due to the strength of their kits.

Which is why there was a committee, I fully understand Tobirama's capability, which we all agreed should be S and beyond. Achroma and Waka highly suggested as S+ due to his sheer power and utility. Which I respected.
I'm more PvP centered and Tobirama wouldn't be S+ on that list, He'll struggle to be S imo,
However with that being said. He's staying S+, you've made some excellent points which are backed. And I can fully respect that. And I would totally use my master ball to catch him if I could! : D


@709***@facebook

Hiruzen was pretty hard to personally rate. I've felt his onslaught and I've also dealt with his linear kit.
Has a great Res AoE buff, great damaging mystery and a nit gimmick with Enma summoning that has taunt.
However, he relies on OTK teams that have initiative+Buffs, which would make him the perfect partner for Iruka+Danzo as you've suggested(Had to face my fair share). Now being S+ with Iruka, on the other hand, is Konoha universal, he's arguably the best support unit in the game, which a lot of units relies on him. Not vise versa. Oh and his non-chase hurts alot.

Now on the Hidan comment, I don't necessarily disagree.
He's heavily reliant on tags and certain lineups and I for one would bump him down. (Which will probably be the case when I update the list)
But his damage is heavy and it's one not to be taken lightly. Regardless, you're not wrong


@sagebgoku
Kyuubi Naruto(4-Tails/6Tails) hits alot harder than Sage Naruto.

Thank you for the wonderful insight guys. Love having these discussions.



This post was last edited by Tobei at 2017-4-25 09:05

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> Tier has been updated.
> Nagato has been ranked.
> Edo Treasure Ninjas has been added to Unranked
> Adjustments were made.
> Patch Notes will be included in the next patch.

Tier lists are universal.
It's not an original idea. Anybody is free to express their own tier list.

Just the presentation is different, That's what makes it unique from others.
Now if I directly took your style, then you have absolute right, However, this is a table graph displaying elemental style - tier
Completely different from what you've linked.


Anyway, thank you for your opinion


@Aoitori

I'll add basic counter teams as a suggestive spot.
However, I can't go in depth as to why they are. The player will have to find out themselves

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I'm curious, what makes you think that?

Edo Tensei Haku release, Updated list.

> Haku added to Unranked
> Gengetsu added to Tier
> Rasa added to Tier
> Mu added to Tier
> Ginkaku added to Tier
> Kinkaku added to Tier
> Hinata added to Tier
> Temari added to Tier
> Hinata moved up to Tier
> Kabuto added to Tier
> Hidan moved down to Tier

Opps

Forgot to remove it : P

I can tell you otherwise.

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Temari's mystery isn't a combo starter, so positional initiative with her is not something you're willing to risk. If it were, she'll easily be S/S+.
Also, her mystery has a huge flaw "Cancel all debuffs"
Which is the problem, she can't really be at position 1, she's more of a backside character that can remove buffs from characters. However, if a combo has already started with your initiative character, and you say "Immobilize" a target, you lose that by casting Temari's mystery.

Mu, on the other hand, has a pretty good kit.
A mystery that deals a large amount of elemental damage, one of the tankiest clones in the game and has a revival passive.
Not to mention his standard is pure ninjutsu, making his negative growth the obvious Attack stat. (It's a good thing)

Think Sage Naruto, except for Earth. But since he's not konoha, he can't benefit like Sage can.

Nagato is strictly a support centered based character.
He's not inherently better than Sage Naruto.

Yes, he does provide utility to his team under certain conditions. However, he has flaws that stand out, ranging from his mystery not being prompt (If it were, he'll be S+)

Minato pro's are indeed great. However, his single target (untagged) mystery is weak. Non-chase, etc.
He's a glimmer character that frankly shines in Ranked. However, in PvP situations, there are characters that provide what he does and better. He's only S due to his camp buff and AI interaction (Mystery tends to go on tagged opponents)

But I respect your opinion and thank you for providing it.

Re-read what I said about Nagato and focus on the second part.
It answers your "why"


@Qolem

Inside jokes are a dangerous thing
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They're similar yet extremely different.

Guy can't plug into teams the way Iruka can.
Guy provides Taijutsu enhancements while providing a leech effect. However his growth stats are not above average, also he has one of the most awkward chases in the game. (High Float to Low)
Iruka, on the other hand, provides an uncanny buff (Taijutsu/Ninjutsu) on top of a large shield. His growths are the best in the game as well. You can plug in Iruka on any Konoha centered team and be successful, not the same applies for Guy.

Also, he's a crit machine.

Kimimaro?

He's a great bruiser/tank. Has the best passive when it comes to front liners, being a scaling defense/res. On top of that, he has a dodge passive. He can fit into a lot of teams that requires a position 2 or wing tank. However, his issues have been that his mystery cost is 60. Which is a huge bummer, but understandable or else his kit would be amazing.

Remember that this is an elemental tier chart. Not what main it works best with.
You can plug in Kimimaro with Water/Lightning. (Poison-Root of Warrior)

Juugo - Sasuke - Kimimaro- Lightning Main
Sailor - Kimimaro - Shizune - Water Main

Would be some basic ones.

Opps. Shall fix right away.