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1＃ Go ToI shouldn't be making this thread because all these ppl in the forums are gonna * on me and make some dumbass replies to why this makes no sense, but it's ticking me.
My opinion, 76 tendo frags, TENDO, frags. You're getting 76 parts to a super rare that would take approximately 400 seals for a 50-50 chance to get him in Tendo treasure, FOR FREE. Be glad. You only need 4 more frags, and even though that might be hard to get, it's probably better than taking a chance to pull him or just trying to get the 80 frags without the help of the Ultimate Training function. Don't be so greedy, even though one may argue that Oasis is. Yeah it's a tease, but acquiring 80 frags versus 4, which would you choose? Mine would sure as hell be the 4.
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-21 09:51:06
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Your argument entirely depends on how easy(or hard) and the cost of getting the 4 frag.
If it is, for example, completely impossible to get the frags, then the 76 frags is essentially useless except for the purpose of getting him to 4 star (you only need 2 repeat as opposed to 5, a huge difference but one most would not care about, even most of the * ptw probably wont bother increasing his star level, thou that might change now that it's easier)
If it is super easy, like from some time limited event with only 1 week of ftp level of work to exchange them, then yeah, you are right, the 76 frag is VERY helpful and great.
Chances are, it's something in between.
As far as chase mission goes, it's highly RNG, unreliable and from my personal experience(never got one), very rare. It is entirely possible that you won't get the 4 frag until you get tendo from tendo treasure off free pulls (yes people, I'm aware that's 2 and half year if you never spent a scroll in tendo treasure. Thou most people have spent some scrolls that way, so it might very well happen in a year's time, but in any case, it might take an average of 3 years to get 4 frags off chased, so comparatively earlier anyway)
As what is more likely is that it will come as frags in some ptw event, like Ay frag was, then it's a matter of how much the 4 frag would cost. And the difference between a full tendo (which, btw, is NOT the same as 400 seals. It's not like you aren't getting OTHER stuff in the sealed) and the cost of the 4 frag is what the value of the 76 is. This is the unknown.
So as of right now, the value and worth of the 76 is unknown, because the cost of the 4 is unknown. You can neither praise nor accuse oasis at this point in time, that will have to wait until the 4 frags have a known cost OR say 4 month later and they still aren't available reliably, in which case we would know that the 76 is crap.
When was the last time you've seen Tendo in an event? The 76 frags being helpful is not dependent on whether they are expensive or not, it's 76 frags either way. OF COURSE they're useful. Also, I didn't say he was equal to 400 scrolls, your argument is invalid. I said it would CONSUME approximately 400 scrolls(deducting the amount of scrolls spent on tendo treasure if someone actually spent and also deducting the approximate amount of free pulls someone has done) to get him, he's not = to 400 scrolls.
And if the cost of the frags did increase, still, compare it to having to get 80 of those frags to recruit him instead of 4. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-22 08:15:54
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So if I were to hand you a valid check for 50,000 dollars that expires in 2 year, locked in a safe that will explode violently if you don't enter the correct password but will unlock automatically 2 years later.
And I'm willing to sell you the password to the safe for 60,000 dollars.
It's still awesome that you got a check for $50k right? None of the rest of that detail matters, all that matters is that I gave you a $50k check, right?
Logic
The fact that they gave us 76 frag, which is the "majority" is irrelevant, what is relevant is how difficult and/or how much it would cost to complete the puzzle. That's all that is relevant.
No, you didn't say tendo is EQUAL to 400 scroll, but you strongly implies that he makes up the majority of the value (and that's what you have now, I have seen a number of people who... let's say imply it in a stronger fashion. The fact that your post was edited means I can't know if you rephrased it)
To address the edit, it's because I wanted to add quotations around the "76" in the thread title.
Secondly, you're trying to use my words in your favor to prove your point and make me seem wrong. Words are always up to different interpretations, but what I wrote is exactly what I meant. I didn't mean that Tendo took up the majority value of those 400 scrolls, and it's definitely not "strong implied."
Thirdly, you're comparing this simple argument to some scenario with a check, a password, a safe that will explode, like what? That's just out of the water similarities.
Fourthly, again, when was the last time you've seen Tendo in an event? People just got 76 free tendo frags, which otherwise would probably cost a hefty amount of dollars. That's relevant. How much they would cost and when will they arrive, that's an on-going question that isn't dependent on an event like this. Two months ago I could ask "When are we going to get tendo frags in events and how much would they cost?" and it wouldn't be tied to this event, it would just be general. These free tendo frags from my knowledge (all 76 and only 76 of them) are from this function, I haven't heard of any other function that gave free tendo frags like this. If there is, please enlighten me. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-22 09:09:36
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check = tendo
password : let's say it's 80 digits and I told u the first 76 digits for free and am selling you the remaining one
safe&explode: simply the equivalent of "you cannot get to the reward unless you meet the FULL conditon"
And as per my original post, i didn't say you are wrong out right, just that your the correctness of your argument cannot be determined until the difficult to attain the 4 frag is known--and it's currently unknown. And overall, the value of the 76 is dependent on the 4. After all, in the equation of A+B=C, if C is known (tendo, a super rare), to know the value of A(the 76), we need the value of B to solve the equation.
And the problem lies precisely in no other function reliably reward tendo. If it was sage naruto frag, thou worth less, there would be far less drama, it's FAR easier to complete the puzzle in that case which makes a better know value of "B" (and at that, not very high) and therefore we can solve for "A" which then have a high value.
As it were, the more rare tendo frag is, the more each frag cost, the LOWER the value of the 76 is.
I'm not gonna try and argue with your point, 1st because it seems I can't shake you( Edit=but I do see where you're coming from) and 2nd I'm getting tired of stalking the forums in need of sustenance for my boredom. But, if the Tendo frags cost more, wouldn't that UP the value of the 76 frags?
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