problem with removing stamina is of course sweeping constantly to gain stuff i assume u want sweeping to be removed so we have to fight each time which i can assure you people wouldnt like that especially on mondays where people use their stamina pots usually . also it incentivises bot-ing if u dont have stamina to worry about u use a bot to do fights constantly which is awful and we all know how big a problem bot-ing is in MMOs

i will just say it again:

"that would create a new hole set of problems.
so a quick fix would be impossible."
so no i do not defend remoning it.

that means that a more permanent solution would have to be looked upon to balance the game since if you dont pay you can get 3-4h of work converted in rewards per day, while if you pay you can get way above 24h in rewards and that unbalances the game substancially. Not to mention some items are only available in the shop or events that require cuppons/ingots.

my first suggestion would be to make sure there are at least 2 ways of getting any item and balance the amount of stamina free players and paying players have (even on that field paying players get more stamina then free players).
Not to mention cave keys where free players get 1 shot every 24h and quite some times we get coins, dango or even purify runes.

but i dont see any of those suggestions being accepted so it starts to be a lost cause.

i do ask that if anyone has suggestion pls do post them, together we can come up with better solutions.

When can we expect the next treasure. Got all these seal scrolls burning a hole in my pocket

IMO u cannot, insist cannot, assume the price of the rewards are 100% straight price from the shop. The price over there have been increased significantly over time to psychologically play with our head. Given all other options available, I will take the median discount rate from events for example 30% for original adv refinement price, and a significant more for magatamas because they have HIGH diminishing return.

Thats personally the way I see if an event is worth more than just the face value coupons costs. Then suddenly 19.75% means nothing.
A straight easy way to see it is a 30% increment instead of 19.75%, that will be equivalent to other events(opportunities) we have got lined up.
This post was last edited by Clazsic_s134 at 2017-4-2 04:08

It will be an endless debate with you, but I understood your F2p's point of view.

Right now the game rewards f2p on a maximum level for being active at around 3-4 hours a day, combined with all the TI/SA etc, assuming everything can be completed and not missed, and given the addition that I am managing a group myself (The GNW, even logging pariticipation & contributions into Excel to cycle the rewards pack rotation, also helping other group members with their TI/SA or even dailies). This personally is on the borderline for me to keep up, let alone more daily contents are coming as they already are in China Server.

Have they made this more significantly tidious, p2w will lose the motivation to play as they will feel that this game is suited to the students or the less busy working community who doesnt have a social life. I dont think the game would want losing too much p2p or p2w, and unless u are a p2w, your comments doesnt not represent our sentiments so let's just agree to disagree.. And IMO, right now thats the direction we seem to be going.

Day 3:
6 BBQ
4 coin
1 purification prot
1 puri
1 lv 3 magatama
1 lv 4 magatama
3 seal fragment
3 adv refine

value: 347.5 coupon 200k coin 12 BBQ
Total:
701.5 coupon 750k coin and 36 BBQ

Unusually good today, bringing things back into the positives for sure. Still not worth spending for the rolls in and of themselves, but if this rate can be maintained, getting another 60 for the seal scrolls might be a reasonable deal (1076.5 coupon, 750k coin and 36 BBQ for 600 coupon, almost 200% return, still worse than Lucky Board thou)

hmm do they pay u to post that or what how do u get so much worth anyones else get 30 % of ur rewards and u so much are u agame liason or whateve name is it or something that rly strange all ur comment are positive to events when we never get and worst event like that...no hate but now you or u have the brain srsly damaged or you are a game liasion there is no other option!!

why cant the recruitment event start day 1 of the week xD

I notice that by now most of the toxic player in the forum has left so we are having very useful educative argument :)

they all left the,change version or just stop playing

I thought "Time-Limited Ninja Recruitment" starts tomorrow.

Well, I don't mind it starts earlier than announced. :D

I dont like rewards for new one,noting really worth

Get all the Summoning Scrolls, with leftover on coins.

Then since now you've stocked up on Summon Scrolls, your Week 2 and Week 4 Draw 10x2 summon is covered, so you can spend your monthly points on refines and threads. ;P

I have like 40 summon scrolls ;P;P;P

Oh man that's a great idea! Thanks for mentioning this! I nearly forgot about the Draw10x2 summon in the monthly events

full review after seeing all the events.

1. Bond 8/10 - New features are always nice, but where are my cave keys for wishing tree, its a basic thing to add that helps f2p and p2p alike?

2. Gift Packs 0/10- 4 days and nothing has been worth spending ingots for.

3. Great Plates 4/10- 20 a day means 60 for free. 2350 - 60 = 2290 needed to get hidan, thats 22,900 coupons for him, during the last lucky board with him he was about 16k coupons. the rng didn't make this event worth the additional 6k price tag because lucky board gave us about the same reward value as spins here will. I got 1-2 advanced refine a day so it was worth something. if it had lasted 7 days i probably would have given it a 7/10.

4. Time Limited 4/10 - if this event had gone for the full 7 days it would have been a decent f2p event, at only 4 days its not worth much outside of a few frags or scrolls.

5. Daily spending 5/10 - There is no ingot only event as far as i can see so im not going to use this since i have 6k coupons to * through first and nothing worth using it on. if there was another event to spend my ingots on it would be worth doing for high spenders since the ROI is over 66%. If there was some synergy with it I would have given it an 8/10.

6. Battle Armor rebate 8/10 - It's just as good now as it was when i first used it, but since i can't get advanced threads outside the shop I can't use this without $500 of ingots which isn't worth 1 lvl to me.

7. Ninja Puzzle 7/10 - One of the best F2P events but i think the easy rewards are worthless, try changing the food to a lvl 1 mag pack or something. Can we just grab the German version of Ninja puzzle?

8. Limited Recruitment 0/10 - This event isn't as good as the newer treasure specific version. Never spending seals on this again.

9. Limited Shop 1/10 - I don't buy seal scrolls, I've saved 350 for free since December. Cloth is worthless to everyone since SA gives so much of it. Thread is too expensive, if it was cheaper I would get some advanced thread for lvl 7 BA.

10. Monthly Sign-in ninja 2/10 - I bought Amber because it says she is an event only ninja, and now your giving her away as the sign-in???I don't want her stars i just wanted her for collection. Is it so much to ask for honestly and clarity? I don't care if you want to make her a sign-in reward, but if you do I want to know its possible so I don't waste coupons on her and I can just wait


11. Monthly Events 4/10 - Considering what happened, you really shouldn't have had that first sentence. Its a free 8 seal scrolls and 33 summon scrolls. Also your pricing doesnt make sense, you sell 80 ningendo or gakido frags for 3400 coupons in land of lightning treasure. here they cost 100 coupons each from monthly packs. 43 coupons each vs 100 coupons each, how does that make sense? Hell the max I've seen pain frags go for in black market was 60 coupons each.

12. That's nice, will I finally have another ninja in the survival shop to 5* and waste some of these 200k coins? I had Deidara at 5* before you moved him without spending any coins.

TY for posting events early, it is something that is always appreciated. I hope it will keep up in the fututre, since the last 2 times it stopped after the second week of early posting.

let me tell you konan is going to be in group shop and not in survival :D

they dont put premium ninjas in survival, for obvious reasons.

Konan hasnt been a premium ninja for months and months just because og keep milking her doesnt mean she is still worth what they are charging for her . The meta has moved on.

dude, compare konan to whatever the shops has right now and tell me again she aint a premium ninja in that league??

FYI, Konan after skill-breakthru is worth it.