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- Clazsic On 2017-04-01 05:07:02
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Event Feedback:
My Background - I manage both p2p and p2w accounts of my group and even received direct feedback from them. My personal acc is Lv89 with 63k BP in a HK server.
1. Bonds -
New content to add more BP, great.
2. Great Plates -
The fact that it lasted 3 days is fine, whats more horrible is that the maths dont add up, for example even the slightest seal scroll x3, as u need an amount that is not worthed it. Nobody sane in my server are touching this beyond the 'free spin'. Hidan etc are too overpriced. We were thinking of 5* Hidan, but ugh.
3. Time-Limited Recruitment -
Cant judge yet, still farming hanzo's frag thus a welcome, but will reserve judgement until I see the rates and opportunity costs vs those frags.
4. Gift Pack Special Offer + Spending Ingot Rebate -
I believe these two works together. Good call, but I only see worth value at spend 100 or spend 500. Thus the seal scroll+summon scroll at 108 Ingot with another bonus seal/summon in the spending rebate is a welcome sight, especially for those grinding seal scroll on speed. I personally like the spend 500 with another seal given when we can purchase the 699 ingot pack. I personally value summoning scroll for less than half its current valuation (~35 Ingot). (I m talking strictly about Ingot)
It was close because we dont tend to value summoning scroll at 70ingot since it has diminished much for us in return of BP at our level. Spending Ingot 1000 or 3000 we do not like, 12 protection runes are overpriced, while magatama have given us major diminishing return for its valuation.
5. Battle Armor Rebates -
Welcome Rotation, my RNG failed me while on 160/200, will have to wait for another. I hope no RNG adjustments was made if we use our threads in this event. (bad perception due to the recent revelations)
6. Ninja Puzzle -
Tidious one to do and the free reward isnt that attractive. 3 seal frag and 20 coupons perhaps but meh, tend to skip these during busy working schedules as it hurts my brain.
7. Limited Recruitment -
I personally prefer the unlimited ones. But I do hope u can release things like these during the new treasure event instead of suddenly keeping it away. Please keep up with the rotation.
8. Monhtly Event -
It is unbelievable to believe that u did listen to us when we look at the tasks given in monthly events(unchanged). I believe u have justifications of every actions? Then can u explain why u made ranked battle x10 daily?
Or else allow me to give my justification why u should not.
*The purpose of these monthly events are supposed to make us active, but not *ly wasting our time and resources.*
1. Ranked battle even on retreat *on, on a slower computer, consumes a lot of memory/RAM, and it is very time-wasting, please reduce the load to 2x instead of 5, 6x instead of 10 (I understand 10 is for jonin medals to participate but why 10 when u can do 6 or 7) .
2. Challenge Another Player x1 instead of x3.
3. Sage World battlefieds x2 instead of x3 because we might miss one and u are very considerate of our unexpected limitations =) You did for 9tails, why not sage as well.
4. Complete Elite/Plot Instance, according to my calculations should be max-ed at x50 instead of x60. x50 give us a more convenient completion without the need of using stamina potions.
5. Pariticipate in Arena x5 should be participate in Ranked battle Arena since we need more ranked battle arena participation monthly, but even 5x is too much still, this is very tidious. For me personally 1x is enough but max 3x.
6. Draw TEN x 2 Summoning Scroll should intersect with summon rebate event, however in a month there should just be one summoning rebate event, but u have Week 2 and Week 4 Draw TEN x 2. Suggestion is, the one that does not overlap with Summoning Rebate should be made Draw TEN x 1 instead.
7. Rewards for Monthly Events have Ningendo which can be received free from grinding Elite instance, or Gakido which again is a free ninja from clearing plot instance. These are also out of date ninjas, why not put something better there or extend the options if u intend to keep ningendo/gakido for the lower levels. I mean u used to put Sage Naruto or Darui but their price were very ridicolous.
P.S: I believe my suggestions above are very reasonable but nothing have been changed in monthly events.
Monthly bit:
While I would love the ranked battle count to be reduced, I would like to point out that you have made some mistake on this aspect. There IS a reason to have it being 10 instead of 6
1. Chunin and Genin medals are 7 and 6 respectively, while not common, they exist
2. You can buy a chance for 10 coupon. For me personally, I buy medium thread for 30 pt, which have a base cost of 38, thus making this task worth 25 coupon. If it was 6, it would be profitable to buy the extra chance to get the extra point and thread thereof. Even 7 can be considered thou at that cost:reward ratio, it is inferior than getting it in some event (lucky board) with coupon, therefore I won't do 7. But I would do 6.
So as you can see, there ARE reasons why it's not 6. In fact, for someone with Chunin medal that is willing to spend the 20 coupon to get the 25 coupon worth of thread, even 9 won't stop them. So it have to be 10.
For the rest of them.... I have no trouble completing any of the quest because I am VERY active. I think there should be a difference in reward between player who are super active like me and slackers.
Challenge another player: I don't care, this is literally meaningless
Sage: I wonder if they can break down the quest so you get 10 pt for 1st one, 30 for 2nd one and 60 for the 3rd one. Would be more fair.
Elite/Plot: I have always done the 60 since monthly event came out 3 months ago, I have always done 6 difficult SA even during the 60s week since 2.0(when med thread went into SA), as well as all the coin/exp trial, always farming the elite instance I need(3 of them, so 90 sta) and during the elite instance week do 3 plot for daily quest. I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management) Besides, there IS a quest for 50 as well, so it's merely a matter of those who can do more gets more, those who does less still gets something.
Arena: I'd be ok with it requiring ranked if not for the fact that there are times when I sit there for half a hour or more without a match. Now, in theory, with the quest changed this might not be as bad, as more people will Q up due to the quest, but until something can be figured out to completely eliminate this problem, I'd have to say no. And my server is already part of Xserver, think of the new servers who aren't, their ranked will be even more desolate.
Draw 10: I'd love to have it always coincide with rebate yes, in fact that's what I try to do. Thou given I get like 60 a month, I don't care TOO much. Personally, I don't see why they can't have more event going on at the same time and making the summoning rebate come twice a month. Or perhaps shuffle week 2 and week 3, then have summon rebate overlaps the end of week 3 and start of week 4. Of course, in some month, we'd have maint week matchup with the monthly week exactly, but usually there is some off set so one weekly event can lapse with two weeks of the monthly.
Reward: I thought it changed every month, doesn't it? First month had sage naruto frag I believe. So, should be ok here? -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-03-31 17:42:00
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Great plate day 1 (20 roll) yield:
3 seal frag
1 purification rune
1 purification protection rune
5 bbq (x2)
6 coin (x50k)
2 adv refine rune
2 lv 3 magatama pack
Total: 227.5 coupon, 300k coin and 10 bbq
Not as bad as I expected it to be, having a positive return compared to what key would have cost. Maybe I'm just lucky today, who knows. Still not worth spending on, compared to lucky board, but at least thus far not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be.
We'll see how it goes for day 2.
PS: I'm measuring lv 3 magatama pack to be 41 coupon, which is roughly the average of the lv 3 magatamas(converted from lv2 or 4)
day 2:
4 puri prot
1 puri
5 coin
7 bbq
3 seal frag
126.5 coupon, 250k coin and 14 bbq
Total:
354 coupon, 550k coin and 24 bbq
Worse than yesterday, but not in the horrible range exactly. Coin more or less worth the missing coupon bit. Not nearly good enough to buy keys for, thou might be reasonable to go for 3 sealed for 60 at this ratio. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-01 08:50:20
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Monthly bit:
While I would love the ranked battle count to be reduced, I would like to point out that you have made some mistake on this aspect. There IS a reason to have it being 10 instead of 6
1. Chunin and Genin medals are 7 and 6 respectively, while not common, they exist
2. You can buy a chance for 10 coupon. For me personally, I buy medium thread for 30 pt, which have a base cost of 38, thus making this task worth 25 coupon. If it was 6, it would be profitable to buy the extra chance to get the extra point and thread thereof. Even 7 can be considered thou at that cost:reward ratio, it is inferior than getting it in some event (lucky board) with coupon, therefore I won't do 7. But I would do 6.
So as you can see, there ARE reasons why it's not 6. In fact, for someone with Chunin medal that is willing to spend the 20 coupon to get the 25 coupon worth of thread, even 9 won't stop them. So it have to be 10.
For the rest of them.... I have no trouble completing any of the quest because I am VERY active. I think there should be a difference in reward between player who are super active like me and slackers.
Challenge another player: I don't care, this is literally meaningless
Sage: I wonder if they can break down the quest so you get 10 pt for 1st one, 30 for 2nd one and 60 for the 3rd one. Would be more fair.
Elite/Plot: I have always done the 60 since monthly event came out 3 months ago, I have always done 6 difficult SA even during the 60s week since 2.0(when med thread went into SA), as well as all the coin/exp trial, always farming the elite instance I need(3 of them, so 90 sta) and during the elite instance week do 3 plot for daily quest. I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management) Besides, there IS a quest for 50 as well, so it's merely a matter of those who can do more gets more, those who does less still gets something.
Arena: I'd be ok with it requiring ranked if not for the fact that there are times when I sit there for half a hour or more without a match. Now, in theory, with the quest changed this might not be as bad, as more people will Q up due to the quest, but until something can be figured out to completely eliminate this problem, I'd have to say no. And my server is already part of Xserver, think of the new servers who aren't, their ranked will be even more desolate.
Draw 10: I'd love to have it always coincide with rebate yes, in fact that's what I try to do. Thou given I get like 60 a month, I don't care TOO much. Personally, I don't see why they can't have more event going on at the same time and making the summoning rebate come twice a month. Or perhaps shuffle week 2 and week 3, then have summon rebate overlaps the end of week 3 and start of week 4. Of course, in some month, we'd have maint week matchup with the monthly week exactly, but usually there is some off set so one weekly event can lapse with two weeks of the monthly.
Reward: I thought it changed every month, doesn't it? First month had sage naruto frag I believe. So, should be ok here?
Simple question, how busy are u, do u belong to a working community? me and my friends work 7 am to 7pm my timezone and barely have around 3 hours to play this game but we spent the most in the server and we find it very hard to keep up.
You have your points in there but in my opinion these things are too tidious to keep up with our limited time daily + the everygrowing daily tasks to do everyday.
Plus, the game developer could have made everything easier for all of us so we can focus on doing other things. From another point of view, Super active vs slackers is also similar to students/unemployed vs employed full time. They could do some balance between those two groups, that why I suggested a reduced workload. -
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- Clazsic On 2017-04-01 12:36:01
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Simple question, how busy are u, do u belong to a working community? me and my friends work 7 am to 7pm my timezone and barely have around 3 hours to play this game but we spent the most in the server and we find it very hard to keep up.
You have your points in there but in my opinion these things are too tidious to keep up with our limited time daily + the everygrowing daily tasks to do everyday.
Plus, the game developer could have made everything easier for all of us so we can focus on doing other things. From another point of view, Super active vs slackers is also similar to students/unemployed vs employed full time. They could do some balance between those two groups, that why I suggested a reduced workload.
I have a full time job, but I'm single so have quite a bit of time on hand.
Anyway, the thing is, there are people who aren't working yet, so all they can spend on the game is time. People who work on the other hand, are expected to be short on time but can invest some money to patch up on whatever they missed due to lack of time. Having a lower cap on return on investment on the time resource would be inherently unfair to players who can only invest that resource. You, through working, exchanges one of your resource into another, whether you'd like to invest the exchanged resource into the game is your choice, but the investment of some amount of resource, either time or money, is required to gain resources in game.
I play hearthstone, and before I worked, I did the daily quest rather diligently, trying to get as much of the free gold as possible. Now, I don't, only doing maybe 80% of it but instead toss in some money now and then (I just pre-purchased next expansion too)
PS: I don't spend on this game because I don't spend on p2w game on principle, but that's beside the point. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-01 14:13:12
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I have a full time job, but I'm single so have quite a bit of time on hand.
Anyway, the thing is, there are people who aren't working yet, so all they can spend on the game is time. People who work on the other hand, are expected to be short on time but can invest some money to patch up on whatever they missed due to lack of time. Having a lower cap on return on investment on the time resource would be inherently unfair to players who can only invest that resource. You, through working, exchanges one of your resource into another, whether you'd like to invest the exchanged resource into the game is your choice, but the investment of some amount of resource, either time or money, is required to gain resources in game.
I play hearthstone, and before I worked, I did the daily quest rather diligently, trying to get as much of the free gold as possible. Now, I don't, only doing maybe 80% of it but instead toss in some money now and then (I just pre-purchased next expansion too)
PS: I don't spend on this game because I don't spend on p2w game on principle, but that's beside the point.
If ure a game developer, u will not want to discourage your p2w community by burning them out just to stay competitive and rely on d idea of spending just to keep up. Thats sending a wrong message and if thats the stance d dwveloper is giving then our days should be very numbered. -
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-01 08:50:20
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Monthly bit:
While I would love the ranked battle count to be reduced, I would like to point out that you have made some mistake on this aspect. There IS a reason to have it being 10 instead of 6
1. Chunin and Genin medals are 7 and 6 respectively, while not common, they exist
2. You can buy a chance for 10 coupon. For me personally, I buy medium thread for 30 pt, which have a base cost of 38, thus making this task worth 25 coupon. If it was 6, it would be profitable to buy the extra chance to get the extra point and thread thereof. Even 7 can be considered thou at that cost:reward ratio, it is inferior than getting it in some event (lucky board) with coupon, therefore I won't do 7. But I would do 6.
So as you can see, there ARE reasons why it's not 6. In fact, for someone with Chunin medal that is willing to spend the 20 coupon to get the 25 coupon worth of thread, even 9 won't stop them. So it have to be 10.
For the rest of them.... I have no trouble completing any of the quest because I am VERY active. I think there should be a difference in reward between player who are super active like me and slackers.
Challenge another player: I don't care, this is literally meaningless
Sage: I wonder if they can break down the quest so you get 10 pt for 1st one, 30 for 2nd one and 60 for the 3rd one. Would be more fair.
Elite/Plot: I have always done the 60 since monthly event came out 3 months ago, I have always done 6 difficult SA even during the 60s week since 2.0(when med thread went into SA), as well as all the coin/exp trial, always farming the elite instance I need(3 of them, so 90 sta) and during the elite instance week do 3 plot for daily quest. I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management) Besides, there IS a quest for 50 as well, so it's merely a matter of those who can do more gets more, those who does less still gets something.
Arena: I'd be ok with it requiring ranked if not for the fact that there are times when I sit there for half a hour or more without a match. Now, in theory, with the quest changed this might not be as bad, as more people will Q up due to the quest, but until something can be figured out to completely eliminate this problem, I'd have to say no. And my server is already part of Xserver, think of the new servers who aren't, their ranked will be even more desolate.
Draw 10: I'd love to have it always coincide with rebate yes, in fact that's what I try to do. Thou given I get like 60 a month, I don't care TOO much. Personally, I don't see why they can't have more event going on at the same time and making the summoning rebate come twice a month. Or perhaps shuffle week 2 and week 3, then have summon rebate overlaps the end of week 3 and start of week 4. Of course, in some month, we'd have maint week matchup with the monthly week exactly, but usually there is some off set so one weekly event can lapse with two weeks of the monthly.
Reward: I thought it changed every month, doesn't it? First month had sage naruto frag I believe. So, should be ok here?
You stated that "I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management)" when talking about the number of plot/elite instances required each day.
I assume you are on a lower numbered server and where sitting at cap for a long time prior to the 90 update, and maybe even hit 90 on the first day or so of release? I ask this since I know people who are not yet at cap, nor were sitting at cap for long when the 90 release came out typically burn ALL their stam potions on Mondays to get the most out of the bonus sweep exp. Sure they can choose to save for the monthly events, but it just puts them even further behind in order to pick up points from the event. An event that requires players to fall behind is not well designed. Those are the type of people who struggle with meeting those requirements. I know people on severs as low as 130 that struggle to meet these requirements each day due to this reason. 60 is a lot for those on newer servers that did not have all that time to build up their stamina potions.
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- Clazsic On 2017-04-01 15:33:50
- If ure a game developer, u will not want to discourage your p2w community by burning them out just to stay competitive and rely on d idea of spending just to keep up. Thats sending a wrong message and if thats the stance d dwveloper is giving then our days should be very numbered.
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- TheWakkaSage On 2017-03-31 22:50:24
- why the event is rigged like every other event wheel. 50 spins and about 40 of them were coins or bbq
its cuz most of us spent some coupons and we didnt get anything
(im talking about those that wont even reach 120)
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Well lets finally decide if the Great Plates event is worthy, or not, in the 3 days we had him for free.
http://image.prntscr.com/image/a35eb507e49a44cba43c48cef34a516e.png
4 seal fragments - 50 cuppons
16 bbq
200k coins
2 advance refinement - 76 cuppons
1 lvl4 life magatama - 135 cuppons
1 lvl3 ninjutsu magatama - 45 cuppons
If bought at the store 200 cuppons would have given me today 306 cuppons.
so if we add day 1 and day 2 to the data for a cost of 600 cuppons i would have received a worth of 718.5 cuppons back.
that would be a net positive result of 118.5 cuppons which is 19.75% increment at current shop value, and to that would add the value of the seal scrolls themselves since with a similar expirience the value would be already paid back by the wheel items.
Personally i will not be buying the keys for the 3 seal scrolls because i already got what i wanted from the seals and i'm only saving scrolls now, if that wasnt the case and i had the cuppons i would consider risking it based on this small data pool, but it's up to each player to decide ba sed on the data provided by several players, and not only mine. -
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you guys are talking about great plates but did you realize that the limited ninja recruitment event is only 3 days too, it used to be 7 days but now it just 3. a f2p player would get like 20-35 free RARE ninja frags out of this event but now they will be lucky to get just 5 or 6 frags, This needs to stop. -
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- Dacien On 2017-04-01 16:27:43
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You stated that "I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management)" when talking about the number of plot/elite instances required each day.
I assume you are on a lower numbered server and where sitting at cap for a long time prior to the 90 update, and maybe even hit 90 on the first day or so of release? I ask this since I know people who are not yet at cap, nor were sitting at cap for long when the 90 release came out typically burn ALL their stam potions on Mondays to get the most out of the bonus sweep exp. Sure they can choose to save for the monthly events, but it just puts them even further behind in order to pick up points from the event. An event that requires players to fall behind is not well designed. Those are the type of people who struggle with meeting those requirements. I know people on severs as low as 130 that struggle to meet these requirements each day due to this reason. 60 is a lot for those on newer servers that did not have all that time to build up their stamina potions.
This post was last edited by Dacien at 2017-4-1 16:29
I am capped on day 1, thou barely. However, the impact monthly event have on exp is much less than you might think.
For starters, we now gain a minimal of 480 stamina per day, with a chance of +50 on bath, this means on average we only need around 3 stamina pot per day during the 2 weeks of 60s. (640/650 needed to do daily and trial, which is 160/170 more than you get, the +50 will take care of the extra 10/20 on average, so 3 pots)
This is not needed for the FIRST day of week 3, because you can keep stamina from the previous day. In fact, if you have 250 at midnight, you might have left over for day 2.
The two weeks will contain two Mondays, so any used on that day is not wasted. In fact, as the monthly event reset at midnight while 2x exp goes from 5am to 5am, you can do all of your Tuesday ones on Monday (and then use the stamina gained on Tuesday for SA), therefore that's also not wasted.
That means, every month, there is 11 days where you have to use pots w/o gaining the 2x exp benefit, that's 33 pots total.
So you are looking at a loss of 1500*33=49500 exp per month.
It would take over a year and a half of that to make enough difference in exp to equal to what I earn in a day on average, it only takes 7-8 month to cap.
So no, what you are talking about doesn't matter in the least bit, by the time when it builds up to any meaningful delay, you'd already be capped. -
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- Clazsic On 2017-04-01 15:33:50
- If ure a game developer, u will not want to discourage your p2w community by burning them out just to stay competitive and rely on d idea of spending just to keep up. Thats sending a wrong message and if thats the stance d dwveloper is giving then our days should be very numbered.
Nope, having free stuff that are takes time and dedication will earn favors pure ftp.
The point of the matter is, if you want something in the game, you have to expend some kind of investment to get it, be it time or money.
There is a limited return on how much you can get out of the game with time. By having a reasonable high requirement of time invested to get the full amount, ftp who can expend more time will gain an advantage over other ftp as well as compete with ptw who can't expend as much time.
Think about your suggestion taken to an extreme, the ftp portion reward is so easy that you can get ALL of them with one click of a *on per day only, that anyone can do. Now, who is going to win the game? Ptw ofc, because EVERYONE can get the free portion, so whatever they pay in extra, they have over the free player.
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- PraiseLuka On 2017-04-01 21:35:45
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Nope, having free stuff that are takes time and dedication will earn favors pure ftp.
The point of the matter is, if you want something in the game, you have to expend some kind of investment to get it, be it time or money.
There is a limited return on how much you can get out of the game with time. By having a reasonable high requirement of time invested to get the full amount, ftp who can expend more time will gain an advantage over other ftp as well as compete with ptw who can't expend as much time.
Think about your suggestion taken to an extreme, the ftp portion reward is so easy that you can get ALL of them with one click of a *on per day only, that anyone can do. Now, who is going to win the game? Ptw ofc, because EVERYONE can get the free portion, so whatever they pay in extra, they have over the free player.
Whereas if the free portion takes significant but reasonable time investment, ftp can beat ptw who does not invest enough money to cover what they are unable to earn from the lack of time investment.
And there resides the biggest problem of this game, ftp that have enough time are still stuck at a dailly amount they can play with actual results.
imagine we could play 10-12 hours per day, that would in fact give us an advantage, but the game only rewards you for playing 3-4 hours, the rest of the time, you are online but not getting anything for it because there is nothing else to do.
on the other hand spenders are incentivized to spend way more then those 3-4h could ever give to a ftp, not to mention the amount of stuff that you can only get in the shop and that right there is where the inbalance of this game comes to light.
One simple thing would be to remove the stamina requirements from the game entirelly and add ways to get all atems available at least in 2 ways, giving ftp a chance to farm hours on end what they want and need, but that would create a new hole set of problems.
so a quick fix would be impossible. Not to mention it would go against the business model chosen for this types of games. -
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