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On 2017-03-30 06:38:00Show All Posts
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  • Aniszougari On 2017-03-30 06:25:16
  • I agree with you 100%.
    Plus the "Great Keys" event is a joke. Super overpriced Cursed Hidan and they make 3 Seal Scrolls cost 600 coupons that is +225 than if you buy the regular way. Nonsense !



    This post was last edited by Aniszougari at 2017-3-29 23:51
It's not JUST 3 seal scroll, it's 3 seal scroll and whatever you get out of the 60 rolls.
if it was 60 seal frags, that's 9 scrolls for 600 coupon, which is a nice discount.

Sadly there is also 50k coin, which isn't exactly horrible and BBQ, which IS horrible in there. We'd have to wait and see what the actual value of yield is.
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On 2017-03-30 06:57:17Show All Posts
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  • Aniszougari On 2017-03-30 06:44:52
  • It's obvious that you will get something like 25 BBQ and 25 50k coins. If you get 1 advanced refine and 1 of those other stuff will be rare. I think you guys should know it by now. That's why i only count the Seal scrolls there. And since BBQ and Coins have zero value to me i claim that 3 Seal Scrolls for 600 coupons for a f2p is an atrocity.
    They could give us the probability of you getting BBQ Coins etc for any Great Key you spend!


    This post was last edited by Aniszougari at 2017-3-29 23:17
And how do you expect Oasis to take people like you seriously when you sprout base-less complain before without getting the evidence to support them? I know their track record isn't great and expect the event to be a bust myself, that doesn't mean it's ok to be prejudiced against them.

If the wheel is as bad as we expect it to be, I'm going to collect actual data and THEN complain about it with facts backing the complaint.
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On 2017-03-30 08:14:39Show All Posts
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  • Richorn On 2017-03-30 07:27:03
  • Why did they even add the coins and bbq?

    Would it really hurt the bottom line or anything, if they just left that, stop putting in worthless rewards.

    And as you said, they don't have a good track record, nothing indicates that this will be a fair event, i for one won't be spending, at least not untill i get it confirmed by people doing it that it's worth it, and even then i'll be hesitante, as, bbq and low amount of coins, is an insult to the player's doing the event.
The coin is actually reasonable for some people worth maybe around 5 coupon which is somewhat acceptable considering everything else worth more than the 10 it costs (except the BBQ ofc, and maybe one of the two box, I think they are magatama boxes but don't know what level, lv 2 would be worth more than 10, lv 1 won't)

But the BBQ... I don't know why BBQ is a reward for ANYTHING. Nobody needs it, I can max all my ninja's level and still have thousands of food left over, it's completely useless. That * should be excluded from any and all event altogether. It doesn't even sell for any respectful amount of coins!

So yeah, that's going to be the determining factor of the event, how many BBQ are they going to shove at us.
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On 2017-03-31 03:19:44Show All Posts
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I really hope Konan goes into survival shop, then I'd get her.
I might or might not go for her in arena/ranking shop, while I don't have nearly as much token saved up, there is also rather limited spending on those front.
At this point, I will not buy her if she is in the group shop. She is now completely useless outside of maybe ranked and GNW (if all 3 player run full pain/konan team), which just can't justify taking her over medium refine.
Well, I'll eventually not need medium refine, so maybe I'll collect her then, but that's still a year out or so.
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On 2017-03-31 17:42:00Show All Posts
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Great plate day 1 (20 roll) yield:
3 seal frag
1 purification rune
1 purification protection rune
5 bbq (x2)
6 coin (x50k)
2 adv refine rune
2 lv 3 magatama pack
Total: 227.5 coupon, 300k coin and 10 bbq
Not as bad as I expected it to be, having a positive return compared to what key would have cost. Maybe I'm just lucky today, who knows. Still not worth spending on, compared to lucky board, but at least thus far not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be.
We'll see how it goes for day 2.

PS: I'm measuring lv 3 magatama pack to be 41 coupon, which is roughly the average of the lv 3 magatamas(converted from lv2 or 4)
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On 2017-04-01 08:50:20Show All Posts
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  • Clazsic On 2017-04-01 05:07:02
  • Event Feedback:
    My Background - I manage both p2p and p2w accounts of my group and even received direct feedback from them. My personal acc is Lv89 with 63k BP in a HK server.

    1. Bonds -
    New content to add more BP, great.
    2. Great Plates -
    The fact that it lasted 3 days is fine, whats more horrible is that the maths dont add up, for example even the slightest seal scroll x3, as u need an amount that is not worthed it. Nobody sane in my server are touching this beyond the 'free spin'. Hidan etc are too overpriced. We were thinking of 5* Hidan, but ugh.

    3. Time-Limited Recruitment -
    Cant judge yet, still farming hanzo's frag thus a welcome, but will reserve judgement until I see the rates and opportunity costs vs those frags.


    4. Gift Pack Special Offer + Spending Ingot Rebate -
    I believe these two works together. Good call, but I only see worth value at spend 100 or spend 500. Thus the seal scroll+summon scroll at 108 Ingot with another bonus seal/summon in the spending rebate is a welcome sight, especially for those grinding seal scroll on speed. I personally like the spend 500 with another seal given when we can purchase the 699 ingot pack. I personally value summoning scroll for less than half its current valuation (~35 Ingot). (I m talking strictly about Ingot)
    It was close because we dont tend to value summoning scroll at 70ingot since it has diminished much for us in return of BP at our level. Spending Ingot 1000 or 3000 we do not like, 12 protection runes are overpriced, while magatama have given us major diminishing return for its valuation.

    5. Battle Armor Rebates -
    Welcome Rotation, my RNG failed me while on 160/200, will have to wait for another. I hope no RNG adjustments was made if we use our threads in this event. (bad perception due to the recent revelations)

    6. Ninja Puzzle -
    Tidious one to do and the free reward isnt that attractive. 3 seal frag and 20 coupons perhaps but meh, tend to skip these during busy working schedules as it hurts my brain.

    7. Limited Recruitment -
    I personally prefer the unlimited ones. But I do hope u can release things like these during the new treasure event instead of suddenly keeping it away. Please keep up with the rotation.

    8. Monhtly Event -
    It is unbelievable to believe that u did listen to us when we look at the tasks given in monthly events(unchanged). I believe u have justifications of every actions? Then can u explain why u made ranked battle x10 daily?
    Or else allow me to give my justification why u should not.
    *The purpose of these monthly events are supposed to make us active, but not *ly wasting our time and resources.*
    1. Ranked battle even on retreat *on, on a slower computer, consumes a lot of memory/RAM, and it is very time-wasting, please reduce the load to 2x instead of 5, 6x instead of 10 (I understand 10 is for jonin medals to participate but why 10 when u can do 6 or 7) .
    2. Challenge Another Player x1 instead of x3.
    3. Sage World battlefieds x2 instead of x3 because we might miss one and u are very considerate of our unexpected limitations =) You did for 9tails, why not sage as well.
    4. Complete Elite/Plot Instance, according to my calculations should be max-ed at x50 instead of x60. x50 give us a more convenient completion without the need of using stamina potions.
    5. Pariticipate in Arena x5 should be participate in Ranked battle Arena since we need more ranked battle arena participation monthly, but even 5x is too much still, this is very tidious. For me personally 1x is enough but max 3x.
    6. Draw TEN x 2 Summoning Scroll should intersect with summon rebate event, however in a month there should just be one summoning rebate event, but u have Week 2 and Week 4 Draw TEN x 2. Suggestion is, the one that does not overlap with Summoning Rebate should be made Draw TEN x 1 instead.
    7. Rewards for Monthly Events have Ningendo which can be received free from grinding Elite instance, or Gakido which again is a free ninja from clearing plot instance. These are also out of date ninjas, why not put something better there or extend the options if u intend to keep ningendo/gakido for the lower levels. I mean u used to put Sage Naruto or Darui but their price were very ridicolous.


    P.S: I believe my suggestions above are very reasonable but nothing have been changed in monthly events.

Monthly bit:
While I would love the ranked battle count to be reduced, I would like to point out that you have made some mistake on this aspect. There IS a reason to have it being 10 instead of 6
1. Chunin and Genin medals are 7 and 6 respectively, while not common, they exist
2. You can buy a chance for 10 coupon. For me personally, I buy medium thread for 30 pt, which have a base cost of 38, thus making this task worth 25 coupon. If it was 6, it would be profitable to buy the extra chance to get the extra point and thread thereof. Even 7 can be considered thou at that cost:reward ratio, it is inferior than getting it in some event (lucky board) with coupon, therefore I won't do 7. But I would do 6.
So as you can see, there ARE reasons why it's not 6. In fact, for someone with Chunin medal that is willing to spend the 20 coupon to get the 25 coupon worth of thread, even 9 won't stop them. So it have to be 10.

For the rest of them.... I have no trouble completing any of the quest because I am VERY active. I think there should be a difference in reward between player who are super active like me and slackers.
Challenge another player: I don't care, this is literally meaningless

Sage: I wonder if they can break down the quest so you get 10 pt for 1st one, 30 for 2nd one and 60 for the 3rd one. Would be more fair.

Elite/Plot: I have always done the 60 since monthly event came out 3 months ago, I have always done 6 difficult SA even during the 60s week since 2.0(when med thread went into SA), as well as all the coin/exp trial, always farming the elite instance I need(3 of them, so 90 sta) and during the elite instance week do 3 plot for daily quest. I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management) Besides, there IS a quest for 50 as well, so it's merely a matter of those who can do more gets more, those who does less still gets something.

Arena: I'd be ok with it requiring ranked if not for the fact that there are times when I sit there for half a hour or more without a match. Now, in theory, with the quest changed this might not be as bad, as more people will Q up due to the quest, but until something can be figured out to completely eliminate this problem, I'd have to say no. And my server is already part of Xserver, think of the new servers who aren't, their ranked will be even more desolate.

Draw 10: I'd love to have it always coincide with rebate yes, in fact that's what I try to do. Thou given I get like 60 a month, I don't care TOO much. Personally, I don't see why they can't have more event going on at the same time and making the summoning rebate come twice a month. Or perhaps shuffle week 2 and week 3, then have summon rebate overlaps the end of week 3 and start of week 4. Of course, in some month, we'd have maint week matchup with the monthly week exactly, but usually there is some off set so one weekly event can lapse with two weeks of the monthly.

Reward: I thought it changed every month, doesn't it? First month had sage naruto frag I believe. So, should be ok here?
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On 2017-04-01 11:46:24Show All Posts
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-03-31 17:42:00
  • Great plate day 1 (20 roll) yield:
    3 seal frag
    1 purification rune
    1 purification protection rune
    5 bbq (x2)
    6 coin (x50k)
    2 adv refine rune
    2 lv 3 magatama pack
    Total: 227.5 coupon, 300k coin and 10 bbq
    Not as bad as I expected it to be, having a positive return compared to what key would have cost. Maybe I'm just lucky today, who knows. Still not worth spending on, compared to lucky board, but at least thus far not nearly as bad as some people make it out to be.
    We'll see how it goes for day 2.

    PS: I'm measuring lv 3 magatama pack to be 41 coupon, which is roughly the average of the lv 3 magatamas(converted from lv2 or 4)
day 2:
4 puri prot
1 puri
5 coin
7 bbq
3 seal frag

126.5 coupon, 250k coin and 14 bbq
Total:
354 coupon, 550k coin and 24 bbq

Worse than yesterday, but not in the horrible range exactly. Coin more or less worth the missing coupon bit. Not nearly good enough to buy keys for, thou might be reasonable to go for 3 sealed for 60 at this ratio.
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On 2017-04-01 14:13:12Show All Posts
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  • Clazsic On 2017-04-01 12:36:01
  • Simple question, how busy are u, do u belong to a working community? me and my friends work 7 am to 7pm my timezone and barely have around 3 hours to play this game but we spent the most in the server and we find it very hard to keep up.
    You have your points in there but in my opinion these things are too tidious to keep up with our limited time daily + the everygrowing daily tasks to do everyday.
    Plus, the game developer could have made everything easier for all of us so we can focus on doing other things. From another point of view, Super active vs slackers is also similar to students/unemployed vs employed full time. They could do some balance between those two groups, that why I suggested a reduced workload.
I have a full time job, but I'm single so have quite a bit of time on hand.

Anyway, the thing is, there are people who aren't working yet, so all they can spend on the game is time. People who work on the other hand, are expected to be short on time but can invest some money to patch up on whatever they missed due to lack of time. Having a lower cap on return on investment on the time resource would be inherently unfair to players who can only invest that resource. You, through working, exchanges one of your resource into another, whether you'd like to invest the exchanged resource into the game is your choice, but the investment of some amount of resource, either time or money, is required to gain resources in game.

I play hearthstone, and before I worked, I did the daily quest rather diligently, trying to get as much of the free gold as possible. Now, I don't, only doing maybe 80% of it but instead toss in some money now and then (I just pre-purchased next expansion too)

PS: I don't spend on this game because I don't spend on p2w game on principle, but that's beside the point.
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On 2017-04-01 21:29:07Show All Posts
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  • Dacien On 2017-04-01 16:27:43
  • You stated that "I STILL have 41 big stamina pot and some small ones. There is absolutely no need to make it easier (yes I have to tap pot quite a few times during it but it's just resource management)" when talking about the number of plot/elite instances required each day.

    I assume you are on a lower numbered server and where sitting at cap for a long time prior to the 90 update, and maybe even hit 90 on the first day or so of release? I ask this since I know people who are not yet at cap, nor were sitting at cap for long when the 90 release came out typically burn ALL their stam potions on Mondays to get the most out of the bonus sweep exp. Sure they can choose to save for the monthly events, but it just puts them even further behind in order to pick up points from the event. An event that requires players to fall behind is not well designed. Those are the type of people who struggle with meeting those requirements. I know people on severs as low as 130 that struggle to meet these requirements each day due to this reason. 60 is a lot for those on newer servers that did not have all that time to build up their stamina potions.

    This post was last edited by Dacien at 2017-4-1 16:29
I am capped on day 1, thou barely. However, the impact monthly event have on exp is much less than you might think.
For starters, we now gain a minimal of 480 stamina per day, with a chance of +50 on bath, this means on average we only need around 3 stamina pot per day during the 2 weeks of 60s. (640/650 needed to do daily and trial, which is 160/170 more than you get, the +50 will take care of the extra 10/20 on average, so 3 pots)
This is not needed for the FIRST day of week 3, because you can keep stamina from the previous day. In fact, if you have 250 at midnight, you might have left over for day 2.
The two weeks will contain two Mondays, so any used on that day is not wasted. In fact, as the monthly event reset at midnight while 2x exp goes from 5am to 5am, you can do all of your Tuesday ones on Monday (and then use the stamina gained on Tuesday for SA), therefore that's also not wasted.
That means, every month, there is 11 days where you have to use pots w/o gaining the 2x exp benefit, that's 33 pots total.
So you are looking at a loss of 1500*33=49500 exp per month.
It would take over a year and a half of that to make enough difference in exp to equal to what I earn in a day on average, it only takes 7-8 month to cap.

So no, what you are talking about doesn't matter in the least bit, by the time when it builds up to any meaningful delay, you'd already be capped.
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On 2017-04-01 21:35:45Show All Posts
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  • Clazsic On 2017-04-01 15:33:50
  • If ure a game developer, u will not want to discourage your p2w community by burning them out just to stay competitive and rely on d idea of spending just to keep up. Thats sending a wrong message and if thats the stance d dwveloper is giving then our days should be very numbered.
Nope, having free stuff that are takes time and dedication will earn favors pure ftp.

The point of the matter is, if you want something in the game, you have to expend some kind of investment to get it, be it time or money.
There is a limited return on how much you can get out of the game with time. By having a reasonable high requirement of time invested to get the full amount, ftp who can expend more time will gain an advantage over other ftp as well as compete with ptw who can't expend as much time.

Think about your suggestion taken to an extreme, the ftp portion reward is so easy that you can get ALL of them with one click of a *on per day only, that anyone can do. Now, who is going to win the game? Ptw ofc, because EVERYONE can get the free portion, so whatever they pay in extra, they have over the free player.

Whereas if the free portion takes significant but reasonable time investment, ftp can beat ptw who does not invest enough money to cover what they are unable to earn from the lack of time investment.
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On 2017-04-02 06:28:31Show All Posts
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  • PraiseLuka On 2017-04-01 11:46:24
  • day 2:
    4 puri prot
    1 puri
    5 coin
    7 bbq
    3 seal frag

    126.5 coupon, 250k coin and 14 bbq
    Total:
    354 coupon, 550k coin and 24 bbq

    Worse than yesterday, but not in the horrible range exactly. Coin more or less worth the missing coupon bit. Not nearly good enough to buy keys for, thou might be reasonable to go for 3 sealed for 60 at this ratio.
Day 3:
6 BBQ
4 coin
1 purification prot
1 puri
1 lv 3 magatama
1 lv 4 magatama
3 seal fragment
3 adv refine

value: 347.5 coupon 200k coin 12 BBQ
Total:
701.5 coupon 750k coin and 36 BBQ

Unusually good today, bringing things back into the positives for sure. Still not worth spending for the rolls in and of themselves, but if this rate can be maintained, getting another 60 for the seal scrolls might be a reasonable deal (1076.5 coupon, 750k coin and 36 BBQ for 600 coupon, almost 200% return, still worse than Lucky Board thou)
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