"12. We have an estimated date for Konan to be added to one of the Shops of the Redemption Merchant as of mid-April. This is an estimated date, if no other issues occur, we will do our best to have Konan in the Redemption Merchant by this scheduled time!
Before Konan is added to the Redemption Merchant, she will still be available in our Weekly Events. Players who wish to get Konan fast or quickly upgrade her Stars will still have a chance to buy!"

This is clear and not misleading at all. I give u props for that if u could continuously do these kind of practice.

However on the other side, Hebihime for a daily sign in for April is as bad as having Jiraiya in monthly sign in. U could have given us hebihime from something free like sakura blooms events rather than make us login full 1 month to get it. The prize isnt worth it.

hebi is a semi-troll character. u ll be happy if ure doing pokemon collecting your pokedex. while at the same time, other version giving out anbu itachi, gnw sakura for their monthly sign in.

U can get meat* from plot or elite instance grinding, i just dont kno d rates as it does not seem consistent. I have like 300ish meat*.

Acer, lets look at our own version now, did u remember those days where u put gnw kankuro, gnw kiba etc as our monthly sign in and how that excites everyone to make sure they dont miss a single login. Those are the days we missed, not when u give us jiraiya or hebihime. We are all hoping for a monthly sign in ninja that could give us the slightest motivation if there's a lack of it. For me, hebi should be given free from a one week event not a month's worth.

Result of 14x spin:

Coins 50,000 x 5
BBQ 2 x 2
Purification Rune x 1
Purification protection x 1
Lv 3 Mag x 1
Seal Fragment x 2
Lv 4 Mag x 1
Adv Lvl Refine x 1
NOTE: x10 spin give better outcome than x1. Diminishing return after x10 spin. Last 4 spins give 2x seal fragment, 2x coins 50k.

Question, is it better than lucky dice?
NO. Lucky dice values Cursed hidan at around 15k Ingot previously. I feel this is another inflation of price by OG to balance demand

I have never seen anyone dumber asking these, but assuming ure gaining intels for the mods, here is some thoughts u c*e to sink in:


Questions guys,

1. How does lowering ninja price / allowing EVERYONE to have advantage in game through EVENTS make the game balance?
- The level of competitiveness should not be derived from who has more $$. If all games deprive f2p to at least have an outside chance to beat 'dumber' p2w then there will be no game that will have enough player base. The bigger the gap, the lower the probability of f2p to have an outside chance to beat p2w or at least f2p can be a 'support' to p2w in a group battle such as GNW. For example, Imagine battling GNW with p2w on barrier users while the f2p still need to cast Sasuke barrier which will end up screwing the p2w in their own team. Compare that to having Konan for a f2p to assist a Cursed Hidan line up of p2w.
2. How does above questions makes F2P happier?
- A chance of winning is brighter than the idea of getting kicked in the arse 100% of the time. At least in group battle or GNW match up where it is likely for p2w to pair up with f2p to fight together. The spirit of togetherness and the idea of being useful in a group will maintain motivation to play.

3. How does when F2P feels happy spending in event, makes the game better?
- Everyone (even p2w) started from F2P. F2p is your potential of revenue. Depriving them from oxygen will not make them go to p2w. I was once a f2p, I became p2w when I realised the game was enjoyable, has an affordable pricing and decided to give back to the developer in return. However that joy has long diminished because of the game developer's attitude towards its players (milking tactics) DESPITE having so much more expansion potential in the future.

4. If F2P are capable to garner everything in game in 6 month, what do you think for P2P?
- The game mechanics will not allow that. You choose between Ninjas or Power. When u seem happy to get all d ninja fragments in 6 mths then u will realise u are lacking far behind in iniative/BP etc. But at least u can be a use in GNW or group battles.
Nobody said u should give f2p the best so that they can garner everything in 6 months. There are a lot of ninjas they are deprived from. F2p using guy/sasuke/kimimaro when they can start using other ninjas such as the GNW ninjas which should be available in shops. We have been stuck with the old school ninjas for far too long and its getting boring for the f2p and at the same time predictable to their opponents.

5. Why would there be P2P in game anyway for your answer in no.4?
- I have answered above. P2p benefits from having both ninjas and power without the need to choose either one, or they can even go for the super rare ninjas..

6. IF everything in the EVENTS have the same discount / pricing, what is the purpose of having EVENTS?
- Put it the another way, put yourself in the player's position, would u buy a seal scroll for 100cp this week or will u buy a seal scroll for 87cp next week/next 2 weeks. The answer is " Yes when in desperation".
We are free to compare one event to another based on this. Your certain events have such a big difference in discount and pricing that makes us feel that the events *s. That I believe is very normal.

7. Price changed some time its lower, sometime its higher are you FORCED to buy now?
- Nobody is forced to buy. As I have mentioned above, we have the right to feel if one event is better than the other. But if u want to make everyone happy, then keep the range/difference minimal.

8. IF you don't feel good buying now why can't you wait?
- Like I said people buy when in desperation or when they want to complete a certain 'remaining fragments', OG has been very secretive of their plans, thus people have doubts, will Curse Hidan be release again in the future? If yes, when? Will it be more expensive or cheaper etc.. All the hopes of OG lowering price should have been gone by now. This is why people find OG shady. This practice benefit OG a lot but players will not have a good impression of the Game developer because of this.

9. Are you the F2P type that play for 8 month having everything like P2P and decided to left the game because there is nothing new/achieve anymore?
- Funny because my p2p friends are the ones who left the game because there was nothing new and it was too fukin slow to proceed in the game. Whereas, I myself am a p2w player who have prolly spent over 10k USD in this game, and I am the most concerned about this because my group mates and server are leaving this game faster than it should have been.
I had it better in my group because we offer a lot of assistance to the F2p and protect them as much as we can. However, not so nice things are happening elsewhere.

10. 8 months REALLY?
- Same shiet routine stuff for 8 months is unbearable.

11. IF OLD F2P gets to buy everything in event, how about new Players?
- New players join new servers, thats what the new servers are for isnt it. Why do u worry about F2p and p2p when u already created such a big gap in the first place.

12. Will they be doomed to the end and forced to spend because need to chase you guys who have spent free CP from ingame and get everything you ever wanted?
- Question answered above.
However, I can share with you my story. I started late to my server where everyone was at Lv70++, eventually I caught up with them, with so many high level people quitting and I am the only few left in the server. I noted that the problem doesnt lie there, otherwise those people from my server would not have quit, there are only a few of us now from my server (now merged) at the higher level and power.

13. The development growth of players need to be balanced/curb in away it still enable to attract players.
- Like in every game it does, but at the same time thats why there are matchmaking system to begin with and with u opening new servers more than a girl having their period should ease the problem. Then why punish your loyal players who have *ed through with u ever since u first launched this game?

14. You ask about P2P / Whales? Its because they can spend money for those can you? wait will you is the more accurate question.
- RIP English.
I assume u asked if f2p will spend money like p2p. My answer stated above, I was once a F2p before I become p2p. Then I was once a mild p2p before I decide to become a whale/p2w. Now after knowing your stance I have returned to become p2p, perhaps my growth was curbed by you increasing the price everytime =)

15. How many P2P/Whales in your server?
- The real whales, I believe 4, My group has 3 of them, and I am helping them with their dailies because they have lost motivation due to their work schedule, game getting more tedious/routine and awaiting for more content updates.

16. Does that guy took ALL event rewards from 1 to 10th and you are left with nothing to scribble?
- No. They are not as active as before, f2p players or semi p2p players get quite a lot of rewards chance.

17. How long do you plan to play in F2P Games?
- I am not a f2p.

18. You wish to be no.1 in server?
- No. But I want my group to be. The reason I am staying in this game is the community as a whole. But more people quitting, especially my trustworthy comrades, the higher for me to quit.
Once I quit, all the big whales will quit too because nobody will be able to help with their routine daily tasks, then if it does, my group (now the strongest), will fall, the wheels will turn. All the Domino's effect will not be good for a sustainable server.
At the end, another server merge would be imminent. And like I said, I have it better because we are a tight bunch, other groups are having it much worst.

19. Why is there no.2, no.3 no.4 and no.5 and more after that then?
- I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

20. Does events break your game?
- RIP English. I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

21. You can't fight / join CORE activities / have fun without spending in EVENTS?
- I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

22. How long will you live?
- I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

23. Do we have Thursday, next week and new events as well?
- I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

24. Will the game close by next week? next 2 weeks?
- I cannot relate to this 'dumb' or 'clueless' question.

25. Do you have patience to play and grow?
- Please relate to the term ' opportunity costs '. Why do we decide to play games in the first place? Most of the spenders in my group or server are the working community. We have a daily job, while at the same time during our spare time, we will enjoy some game that makes us HAPPY or EXCITED. This game used to be doing that until they changed their stance and started their weird milking antics.

26. IF you still haven;t realized, do they EVEN ASKED a SINGLE PENNY for you to PLAY?


- Again, I am not a f2p and as a p2p I am not content with the direction the game is going.

Conclusion: IN my opinion, the game is not making f2p nor p2p happy (they used to, last time when the monthly login ninjas are those GNW Kiba/Neji/Kankuro etc), rather the game is making the shareholders' pockets very happy.

wth my keys are like ghosts, they were there claimed 20 of them and suddenly they went missing... then reappear then missing again.

Btw I concur with everything on the above. This Great Plate event is full of rubbish. RNG shucks and the choices of those wheel have magnets on BBQ and coins 50k. for seal scroll u even need to spend quite a bit. RIP. Even my groupmates felt the same.

Haha this fella has not been here long enough to know abt OG. Look whos laughing now.

Bro, i have got nothing against u but u have to look with another point of view. The price reflected in d shop doesnt represent the value of the items shown. I remember last time where seal scroll price are d same, they have raised summoning scroll price from 50 to 70 so that people perceive 2 summoning scrolls are exactly equal to 1 seal scroll's worth. They can set the value of the shop to manipulate how we think, then come up with irresistible discounts to tempt us. Thats how a lot of chinese companies are doing to promote their sales especially in the retail sectors. The real value should be d median value that people are willing to buy, for example despite lv2 magatama at 12 to 15 coupons, to me it doesnt worth more than 10 coupons due to higher lv magatamas giving diminishing return per coupons spent buying mags for BP.
Fyi, there have been many price adjustments in d shops, mostly increments.

This post was last edited by Clazsic_s134 at 2017-3-30 23:16

Event Feedback:
My Background - I manage both p2p and p2w accounts of my group and even received direct feedback from them. My personal acc is Lv89 with 63k BP in a HK server.

1. Bonds -
New content to add more BP, great.
2. Great Plates -
The fact that it lasted 3 days is fine, whats more horrible is that the maths dont add up, for example even the slightest seal scroll x3, as u need an amount that is not worthed it. Nobody sane in my server are touching this beyond the 'free spin'. Hidan etc are too overpriced. We were thinking of 5* Hidan, but ugh.

3. Time-Limited Recruitment -
Cant judge yet, still farming hanzo's frag thus a welcome, but will reserve judgement until I see the rates and opportunity costs vs those frags.


4. Gift Pack Special Offer + Spending Ingot Rebate -
I believe these two works together. Good call, but I only see worth value at spend 100 or spend 500. Thus the seal scroll+summon scroll at 108 Ingot with another bonus seal/summon in the spending rebate is a welcome sight, especially for those grinding seal scroll on speed. I personally like the spend 500 with another seal given when we can purchase the 699 ingot pack. I personally value summoning scroll for less than half its current valuation (~35 Ingot). (I m talking strictly about Ingot)
It was close because we dont tend to value summoning scroll at 70ingot since it has diminished much for us in return of BP at our level. Spending Ingot 1000 or 3000 we do not like, 12 protection runes are overpriced, while magatama have given us major diminishing return for its valuation.

5. Battle Armor Rebates -
Welcome Rotation, my RNG failed me while on 160/200, will have to wait for another. I hope no RNG adjustments was made if we use our threads in this event. (bad perception due to the recent revelations)

6. Ninja Puzzle -
Tidious one to do and the free reward isnt that attractive. 3 seal frag and 20 coupons perhaps but meh, tend to skip these during busy working schedules as it hurts my brain.

7. Limited Recruitment -
I personally prefer the unlimited ones. But I do hope u can release things like these during the new treasure event instead of suddenly keeping it away. Please keep up with the rotation.

8. Monhtly Event -
It is unbelievable to believe that u did listen to us when we look at the tasks given in monthly events(unchanged). I believe u have justifications of every actions? Then can u explain why u made ranked battle x10 daily?
Or else allow me to give my justification why u should not.
*The purpose of these monthly events are supposed to make us active, but not *ly wasting our time and resources.*
1. Ranked battle even on retreat *on, on a slower computer, consumes a lot of memory/RAM, and it is very time-wasting, please reduce the load to 2x instead of 5, 6x instead of 10 (I understand 10 is for jonin medals to participate but why 10 when u can do 6 or 7) .
2. Challenge Another Player x1 instead of x3.
3. Sage World battlefieds x2 instead of x3 because we might miss one and u are very considerate of our unexpected limitations =) You did for 9tails, why not sage as well.
4. Complete Elite/Plot Instance, according to my calculations should be max-ed at x50 instead of x60. x50 give us a more convenient completion without the need of using stamina potions.
5. Pariticipate in Arena x5 should be participate in Ranked battle Arena since we need more ranked battle arena participation monthly, but even 5x is too much still, this is very tidious. For me personally 1x is enough but max 3x.
6. Draw TEN x 2 Summoning Scroll should intersect with summon rebate event, however in a month there should just be one summoning rebate event, but u have Week 2 and Week 4 Draw TEN x 2. Suggestion is, the one that does not overlap with Summoning Rebate should be made Draw TEN x 1 instead.
7. Rewards for Monthly Events have Ningendo which can be received free from grinding Elite instance, or Gakido which again is a free ninja from clearing plot instance. These are also out of date ninjas, why not put something better there or extend the options if u intend to keep ningendo/gakido for the lower levels. I mean u used to put Sage Naruto or Darui but their price were very ridicolous.


P.S: I believe my suggestions above are very reasonable but nothing have been changed in monthly events.

Simple question, how busy are u, do u belong to a working community? me and my friends work 7 am to 7pm my timezone and barely have around 3 hours to play this game but we spent the most in the server and we find it very hard to keep up.
You have your points in there but in my opinion these things are too tidious to keep up with our limited time daily + the everygrowing daily tasks to do everyday.
Plus, the game developer could have made everything easier for all of us so we can focus on doing other things. From another point of view, Super active vs slackers is also similar to students/unemployed vs employed full time. They could do some balance between those two groups, that why I suggested a reduced workload.

If ure a game developer, u will not want to discourage your p2w community by burning them out just to stay competitive and rely on d idea of spending just to keep up. Thats sending a wrong message and if thats the stance d dwveloper is giving then our days should be very numbered.

IMO u cannot, insist cannot, assume the price of the rewards are 100% straight price from the shop. The price over there have been increased significantly over time to psychologically play with our head. Given all other options available, I will take the median discount rate from events for example 30% for original adv refinement price, and a significant more for magatamas because they have HIGH diminishing return.

Thats personally the way I see if an event is worth more than just the face value coupons costs. Then suddenly 19.75% means nothing.
A straight easy way to see it is a 30% increment instead of 19.75%, that will be equivalent to other events(opportunities) we have got lined up.
This post was last edited by Clazsic_s134 at 2017-4-2 04:08

It will be an endless debate with you, but I understood your F2p's point of view.

Right now the game rewards f2p on a maximum level for being active at around 3-4 hours a day, combined with all the TI/SA etc, assuming everything can be completed and not missed, and given the addition that I am managing a group myself (The GNW, even logging pariticipation & contributions into Excel to cycle the rewards pack rotation, also helping other group members with their TI/SA or even dailies). This personally is on the borderline for me to keep up, let alone more daily contents are coming as they already are in China Server.

Have they made this more significantly tidious, p2w will lose the motivation to play as they will feel that this game is suited to the students or the less busy working community who doesnt have a social life. I dont think the game would want losing too much p2p or p2w, and unless u are a p2w, your comments doesnt not represent our sentiments so let's just agree to disagree.. And IMO, right now thats the direction we seem to be going.

they dont put premium ninjas in survival, for obvious reasons.

dude, compare konan to whatever the shops has right now and tell me again she aint a premium ninja in that league??

FYI, Konan after skill-breakthru is worth it.