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[ Breeze Dancer ] Sage Art-Sand Dust is STRONG

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On 2017-02-21 10:04:36Show All Posts
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The thing is, the skill is pretty much only useful against RoW lightning main, against every other main I'd rather have dance so I c*e my mysteries which contains interrupt in the works to just stop my enemy and deal damage to their face.

So if you are complaining that this mystery is too strong, aren't you REALLY complaining that RoW is too strong and too meta for this skill to even be a "thing"?
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On 2017-02-22 04:08:07Show All Posts
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  • lord jashin On 2017-02-21 12:13:17
  • where you can see lightning meta? Cos all i see is Mei after Mei and sometimes(a lot less) Gaara and Danzo.
In servers where there is no lightning meta, no one uses the sage art sand dust
In server where there is, people use it because of the lightning meta

Remember, this isn't a thread discussing if lightning is OP or if lightning IS the meta, it's a thread about sage art sand dust. And in the end, the mystery isn't useful in many servers and isn't the "root" of the problem in other, therefore the mystery is not over powered.
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On 2017-02-22 15:06:18Show All Posts
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  • Maroner On 2017-02-22 14:42:35
  • I don't really agree with this. I know someone that runs sand dust. At first, it was just to counter root teams, but after using it they said you don't really notice how many teams run buffs. Sand Dust does alot more then just remove root, it removes all buffs. That is a big hit to any team, not just root. My server has alot of Iruka/Mabui/Konan teams that run around for the shields to get their team into round 2. Being able to make those ninja pointless is huge.

    However, I run a root team, and it is something that can ruin my day. Only real problem with it is I run a stop in slot 2 or 3, and most windmains are in slot 3 or 4, meaning they don't get it off. But when my friend puts their wind main to counter me (slot 2 or even slot 1) it does really ruin your team when you are running ninja that need those buffs to do any real damage.
The thing is that sand dust is not a generically useful mystery, but a counter mystery. Ofc, the foremost thing it counters is the lightning RoW, what you describe are other teams that it counter. However, there are also a lot of teams that doesn't run many buffs. Personally I'd only consider sand dust worth using over dance if the enemy team have 3 or more buffs, because at 2, chances are the dance will be more effective if the battle last more than 3 turns. That said, usually main carries a buff and some ninjas like iruka effectively gives 2, so it's not THAT hard to reach 3. Still, only some teams meet the par and it's not universal.

This makes the sand dust very effective if you know who you are going to up against, which means survival (too easy to even matter), plunder and wanted hunting. In most other cases, you don't really know your opponent beforehand and therefore it becomes a gamble. And with gambles, you win some you lose some, it counters some teams and get countered by others, that's actually good game state where no team is supreme. Of course, there are cases where it's not much of a gamble if there are only a few players of concern to think about (everyone else you either beat or get beaten easily) and ALL of them run a certain style of team, then you can go in knowing what would be the most effective. But that's not true in every server/case and is probably a problem in the meta state of the server than anything else.

Rock isn't op, it just counters scissors. If too many people play scissors, the question would be why not play paper.
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On 2017-02-24 14:36:42Show All Posts
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  • KiiroiSenko On 2017-02-24 14:33:16
  • I'm not saying anything is OP. Every thing has a counter to it, you just have to find it. I honestly don't care if I win or lose. (Sometimes I give out free ranked arena wins). So for me I like it because its just fun. (for me). It is a counter but it counters quite a bit of things. Though what surprised me the most was that it countered Hinata (Ay, Gaara and the puppet users were the only things I thought countered her mystery). In the end this is a game and games are just about having fun (We all have fun differently.)
Does it counter hinate? that I didn't know....
Thou there are other counters, anything with a non-standard attack does, like narutos, kibas and I think certain attacks of some main character.
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On 2017-02-26 08:16:56Show All Posts
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Here is a weird relevant-ish question.
Can sand dust remove the effect of WB Asuma's Pose of Invincibility (let's say the char gets healed to full after the fact)
Specifically, I'm wondering if Pose of Invincibility is considered a "buff", since it isn't actively applied at any time. In a way, it seems more like a true aura (which quite a few skill appears to be but ends up being buff instead)

So....
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